Comments on: Wim Nusselder on Quarternary Economics https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/wim-nusselder-on-quarternary-economics/2009/06/29 Researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices Fri, 11 Sep 2009 02:55:03 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.15 By: Otto Newhouse https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/wim-nusselder-on-quarternary-economics/2009/06/29/comment-page-1#comment-418108 Fri, 11 Sep 2009 02:55:03 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=3709#comment-418108 Hi Michel, would be happy to.

I have looked back and managed to find several links of interest in varying contexts.
The appear under the Origins of Wants…
http://www.antenna.nl/wim.nusselder/schrijfsels/economics_print.htm
ttp://www2.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/4379.html
http://www2.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/6881.html

Otto

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By: david r https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/wim-nusselder-on-quarternary-economics/2009/06/29/comment-page-1#comment-415953 Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:28:15 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=3709#comment-415953 that’s a good informative post at your blog too, iggy. much apprpeciated. useful links in it.

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By: Iggy https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/wim-nusselder-on-quarternary-economics/2009/06/29/comment-page-1#comment-415862 Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:33:06 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=3709#comment-415862 I completly agree with your view. It was not the subtle presence but the scale and mostly the predominance of the model in such an early stage of history what amazed me.

Iggy

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By: Michel Bauwens https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/wim-nusselder-on-quarternary-economics/2009/06/29/comment-page-1#comment-415859 Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:31:07 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=3709#comment-415859 Dear Iggy,

fascinating story, thanks a lot for sharing it with us and I even hope we can republish it here as well. I wouldn’t argue that p2p is ‘entirely’ new. Rather as Alan Page Fiske argues, it’s one of the 4 relational dynamics that is always present. But it has been subsumed historically to the tribal gift economy, pre-modern hierarchies and the modern capitalist market. We could also say, and this is new, that internet/web technologies radically bring down the transaction costs of creating global intellectual/cultural/scientific and ultimately productive commons, liberating it from time and space constraints. So rather than arguing that it is entirely new, I would rather say that it gets a renewed lease of life, to the point that it may even become the core relational mode of a sustainable, and necessarily post-capitalist, civilisation (which doesn’t mean, ‘without any market”).

What I found so interesting in your reading and contribution, is the scale of such a network in the midst of the Middle Ages, and that pre-capitalist markets where much more commons friendly than the current one, which is a real ‘enclosure’ machine.

Michel

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By: Iggy https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/wim-nusselder-on-quarternary-economics/2009/06/29/comment-page-1#comment-415856 Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:39:40 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=3709#comment-415856 Hi Michael,

I recalled a paper I had read time ago “Reputation and Coalitions in Medieval Trade: Evidence on the Maghribi Traders” (A. Greif, 1989). And surprisingly the description of this “Maghribi Traders” trading model fits more or less within what it is understood of a P2P (weakly true, but so close that it amazed me). I analize it here,
http://golpedee-estado.blogspot.com/2009/07/p2p-state-of-art.html
I find it surprising to find such similarities with a human group living a thousand years ago.

So far.

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By: Hacia una economía integral « Humanismo y Conectividad https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/wim-nusselder-on-quarternary-economics/2009/06/29/comment-page-1#comment-415666 Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:01:51 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=3709#comment-415666 […] Deja un comentario La siguiente es una tabla publicada recientemente por Michael Bauwens de la Fundación P2P en la que intenta resumir las diferentes concepciones de la economía tal como Wim Nusselder las […]

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By: Michel Bauwens https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/wim-nusselder-on-quarternary-economics/2009/06/29/comment-page-1#comment-415365 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:03:35 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=3709#comment-415365 Hi Otto,

I can’t find that phrase in the text, I need more context . Can you point me where you found it?

Michel

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By: Otto Newhouse https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/wim-nusselder-on-quarternary-economics/2009/06/29/comment-page-1#comment-415362 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 00:08:29 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=3709#comment-415362 On your suggestion, Michel, I took time to look through the link to Nusselder’s thoughts. Among others, I find this particularly interesting:
“We can only know what we should do by attaching differential meaning to alternative actions.”
Can you please tell what is your take on this…?

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