Comments on: Wilber whirldwind wrap-up https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/wilber-whirldwind-wrap-up/2006/06/16 Researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices Sat, 25 Oct 2014 11:03:11 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.15 By: Open Integral » Blog Archive » Frank Visser’s Integral World goes Open Integral https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/wilber-whirldwind-wrap-up/2006/06/16/comment-page-1#comment-939 Tue, 04 Jul 2006 11:39:52 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=254#comment-939 […] But in his latest editorial reflecting on the spin-offs of the Wilber rant, Frank Visser has made the momentous decision of opening up his site to the totality of integral traditions. This is therefore an open invitation to send your essays to Frank. […]

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By: Michel https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/wilber-whirldwind-wrap-up/2006/06/16/comment-page-1#comment-857 Sun, 25 Jun 2006 04:23:07 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=254#comment-857 Frank Visser mentions the Jim Chamberlain has listened to the tape mentioned just above, and the latter adds that it basically covers only ‘evolution’.

To know more, read this commentary on Wilber and Evolution,
at http://www.integralworld.net/index.html?chamberlain2.html

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By: Michel https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/wilber-whirldwind-wrap-up/2006/06/16/comment-page-1#comment-816 Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:18:51 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=254#comment-816 From Paul Salamone:

I just discovered an audio dialogue between Ken and Sean Hargens from a weekly I-I theory call regarding Meyerhoff’s 6 main criticisms buried on Ken’s site you may not be aware of. I haven’t listened to the whole thing, but it might clarify some of Ken’s positions. Link:
http://www.integralnaked.org/media/kw/meyerhoff.mp3

-Paul

ps
The link was found in the “Response to Recent Critics” pdf here: http://www.kenwilber.com/professional/writings/index.html

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By: Michel https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/wilber-whirldwind-wrap-up/2006/06/16/comment-page-1#comment-800 Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:05:51 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=254#comment-800 Alan Kazlev just added this to his wilber watch pages; it gives info by scholars showing how Wilber misrepresents Plotinus, Emerson, etc…

http://tinyurl.com/qrawv (Frew points out how Wilber deliberately misrepresents Plotinus)

http://tinyurl.com/okcqc (Wilber reply)

http://tinyurl.com/prgpy (Frew counter-reply)

http://tinyurl.com/r592j (diZerega critiquing Wilber on Emerson()

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By: Michel https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/wilber-whirldwind-wrap-up/2006/06/16/comment-page-1#comment-780 Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:36:25 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=254#comment-780 Just to make sure that people reading this post know what is in the famous Ken Wilber rant, which appeared at
http://www.kenwilber.com/blog/show/46

Here’s a selection of Ken Wilber’s vocabulary on his critics, by Geoffrey Falk at http://www.geoffreyfalk.com/blog/June2006.asp#9

“sorry-ass, first-tier, lame-brain case of arrested development, a two-bit, no-fit, nobody-quoting, self-promoting, gas-floating, over-bloating, no deposit, lame composite, really lost it, never had it, wanna bees, felled at the knees, first-tier fleas, flick ‘em off his back and never look back:�

I am not going to keep responding to the lunatics, nuts, fakes, and frauds.

[P]erhaps I should mention that I am at the center of the vanguard of the greatest social transformation in the history of humankind … using [my] Zen sword of prajna to cut off the heads of critics so staggeringly little that [I have] to slow down about 10-fold just to see them.

you don’t like us, you hate us, you hate I-I, you hate wilber, you hate this and you hate that—we heard you loud and clear. And we saw you. And now we know each other, don’t we?

… f..ck the crazy critic.

[D]oes telling a group of mental masturbators that they’re off the mark actually legitimize them in a way? If their intent is simply (!) to fantasize, they are unlikely to have the decency to be embarrassed at being caught once again with their pants down around their knees.

lunatic and cacophonous … so deranged as to be laughable … suck my d.ck … level of scholarship is so mediocre … worthless … you morons … lame criticism … painfully sluggish critics, dragging their bloated bellies across the ground at a snail’s pace of gray dreariness, can frankly just eat my dust and bite my ass … nonsensical … neither true nor false but empty … criticism so deranged you just stare at it wide-eyed and dumbfounded … criticism so absolutely loopy you just stare in disbelief for minutes, pie-eyed, slack-jawed, say whaaaaaat? … numb-nut young Turks and no-nut old Turks, many of whom have studied [my] work for up to 3 full hours….

Where you from, son? What the f..ck you been thinking? You hitting that weed again man, doing them drugs overtime?�

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By: Deep Surface » Viral Marketing, The Multiplex, and Transparency https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/wilber-whirldwind-wrap-up/2006/06/16/comment-page-1#comment-779 Sat, 17 Jun 2006 21:04:28 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=254#comment-779 […] Aside from cranking up the amount of discussion about Ken’s work, his Wyatt Earp post and the ones that followed have causes some bloggers and readers to look inward, including me. However, Wilber’s post also resulted in plenty of critical discussions and posts, including mine, have focused more attention on Wilber’s critics. After reading these critical blogs, I have more of a desire to have some of the critics on Frank Visser’s site to brought into the Integral circle. I still don’t think there’s much merit in the criticism, but by excluding these folks from the official discussion, Ken and I-I are creating more bad P.R. and dissent than it’s worth. […]

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By: James Burke https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/wilber-whirldwind-wrap-up/2006/06/16/comment-page-1#comment-778 Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:56:03 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=254#comment-778 Alan, thanks for the great post you made. Good to have a compiled list of the discussion so far. And yet again it reminds me of why i like the bloggosphere so much:)
james

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By: Michel https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/wilber-whirldwind-wrap-up/2006/06/16/comment-page-1#comment-777 Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:08:02 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=254#comment-777 Here’s an expanded version of the whole unfolding blogosphere process by Alan Kazlev, at http://www.kheper.net/topics/Wilber/Wilbers_rant.html

Alan Kazlev’s own view is here at
http://www.kheper.net/topics/Wilber/decline_and_fall_of_Wilber.html

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