Comments on: Why Danah Boyd is depressed and angry, and so am I, about scientific lockdown by publishers https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/why-danah-boyd-is-depressed-and-angry-and-so-am-i-about-scientific-lockdown-by-publishers/2008/02/11 Researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:26:08 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.15 By: Smart Mobs » Blog Archive » Why Danah Boyd and Michel Bauwens are Depressed and Angry About Scientific Lockdown by Publishers https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/why-danah-boyd-is-depressed-and-angry-and-so-am-i-about-scientific-lockdown-by-publishers/2008/02/11/comment-page-1#comment-190058 Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:26:08 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/why-danah-boyd-is-depressed-and-angry-and-so-am-i-about-scientific-lockdown-by-publishers/2008/02/11#comment-190058 […] http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/why-danah-boyd-is-depressed-and-angry-and-so-am-i-about-scientific-lockdown-by-publishers/2008/02/11 […]

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By: S Rhodes https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/why-danah-boyd-is-depressed-and-angry-and-so-am-i-about-scientific-lockdown-by-publishers/2008/02/11/comment-page-1#comment-189719 Sat, 16 Feb 2008 22:36:12 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/why-danah-boyd-is-depressed-and-angry-and-so-am-i-about-scientific-lockdown-by-publishers/2008/02/11#comment-189719 If being “competitive” is the goal, and not communicating ideas, then I suppose trying to find the price point that earns the most money makes sense. Yet, most of that money is still going to the publisher, so the author his or her self is hardly being competitive. If making profit is more important than communicating, then I have to wonder why the person is doing research at all; follow Stephen King’s lead, by all means. This may be insulting to some researchers, but tough cookies. Time to wake up.

With sites like http://www.lulu.com , there’s simply no excuse not to make affordable hardcopies, and if a person wants to communicate their ideas, to make free electronic copies. We’re moving to a service model, with the author providing the service of creating content and communicating ideas. Academia is being left in the dust because, generally, they’re so tied to old-guard process that they’re keeping their information walled off. My advice: come out of your silos, or suffocate in them.

There have been numerous studies about the importance of information flow and low barriers of entry in fields of study, that found raising those walls and cutting off that flow stifles innovation and progress. I know this, not because I bought some $100 book, but because I used Google scholar to find and read some excellent research.

What gets more attention? Open access articles. What gets more citations? Open access articles. http://biology.plosjournals.org/perlserv?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pbio.0040157

People who find themselves in obscurity need to communicate with more people and look at the purpose of their work. Are they trying to solve a problem? Are they trying to reveal insight about something? Are they reinventing the wheel? If so, talk to more people, and look at the ideas you’re presenting. Maybe they’re not easy to understand, and the ideas need to be expressed more clearly. Maybe people can’t see why the ideas are important, and the ideas need context. Maybe the ideas aren’t actually useful to anyone, but that seems unlikely. It’s far more likely that the ideas aren’t a conversation to anyone. They’re sitting out there, all alone, unconnected, and unloved. Markets are conversations.

Is it time for a PLoS Books, like Sam Rose is suggesting? Yes, it’s overdue. Maybe someone’s already working on it.

Being angry at publishers, to me, ignores the whole issue. Are we to be angry when a for-profit business tries to maximize profit? Are we to expect them to do something different because it’s the right thing to do? They’ll only be interested if it generates more profit. They’re middlemen: they’re waste. Publishing is a service, and it can be done in batches, practically on demand (again, http://www.lulu.com). Trying to reform for-profit business into functioning like non-profits will never work. Better to make them obsolete.

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By: Anon https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/why-danah-boyd-is-depressed-and-angry-and-so-am-i-about-scientific-lockdown-by-publishers/2008/02/11/comment-page-1#comment-189043 Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:27:59 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/why-danah-boyd-is-depressed-and-angry-and-so-am-i-about-scientific-lockdown-by-publishers/2008/02/11#comment-189043 Hacking Capitalism is released at the moment as hardback only. I think you will find that the price is therefore competitive if you look at the cost of monographs everywhere. Once it is released as paperback, the price becomes more accessible. Even Stephen King books are sold like this. Why the moral outrage?

Slopping blogging in my opinion.

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By: paulbhartzog https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/why-danah-boyd-is-depressed-and-angry-and-so-am-i-about-scientific-lockdown-by-publishers/2008/02/11/comment-page-1#comment-187139 Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:33:56 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/why-danah-boyd-is-depressed-and-angry-and-so-am-i-about-scientific-lockdown-by-publishers/2008/02/11#comment-187139 Yes, Larry Lessig and I discussed this years ago, when he decided to boycott closed Law Journals, and his advice to me was not to sacrifice openness for a shot at a career.

Needless to say, I took his advice, do not publish anything except under copyleft, and that’s probably why no one knows who I am.

😀

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By: Sam Rose https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/why-danah-boyd-is-depressed-and-angry-and-so-am-i-about-scientific-lockdown-by-publishers/2008/02/11/comment-page-1#comment-187075 Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:03:25 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/why-danah-boyd-is-depressed-and-angry-and-so-am-i-about-scientific-lockdown-by-publishers/2008/02/11#comment-187075 Perhaps it is time for Scientific content producers to work together and create their own means of production and distribution?

The technology now exists to accomplish this.

A very small co-funding by writers could set up an infrastructure, complete with networks of hard and soft bound production, and distribution to libraries, plus an electronic publishing system, such as OJS.

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