Comments on: What should p2p sympathizers think of Ron Paul https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/what-should-p2p-sympathizers-think-of-ron-paul/ Researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices Sat, 31 Dec 2011 07:54:43 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.17 By: Michel Bauwens https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/what-should-p2p-sympathizers-think-of-ron-paul/comment-page-1/#comment-489112 Sat, 31 Dec 2011 07:54:43 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=21685#comment-489112 In reply to Dale Carrico.

ok, I think I understand. At the P2P Foundation, I have learned a lot from Kevin Carson’s mutualism, defined as a ‘freed market’ approach. While I disagree with the fundamental proposition, I have learned a lot about the embeddedness of capitalism in the state, and also about diversity in property modalities; I believe both aspects are generally absent from mainstream left understandings, and find them very useful.

]]> By: Dale Carrico https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/what-should-p2p-sympathizers-think-of-ron-paul/comment-page-1/#comment-489107 Fri, 30 Dec 2011 21:58:30 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=21685#comment-489107 I do not deny “there is a left libertarian tradition” but propose that the emergence of the right-wing anarcho-capitalist viewpoint may not so much be a confusion of that tradition (as some, like Noam Chomsky, have forcefully argued) but an exposure of a reactionary tendency with that tradition that had not hitherto been fully grasped and understood (although anti-spontaneist critiques from the Communinist left of the anarchist left have been common enough, after all). In the discussion provoked by the post you kindly excerpt this issue was further explored. There, I went on to write (edited a bit):

“I would say that anarcho-capitalists ‘naturalize’ historically contingent arrangements as a ‘spontaneous market order’ in an effort to legitimize them, while anarcho-socialists expose historically contingent government arrangements in an effort to illegitimize them usually the better to ‘naturalize’ whatever “spontaneous order’ they themselves prefer.

“It is my conclusion that these superficially different positions represent actually complementary if not outright continuous/identical errors… I would be the last to deny there is all the difference in the world between profit-taking and love-making — but to the extent that parochial characterizations of these are universalized to provide the basis for false faith in spontaneous orders and programmatic anarchisms I disapprove of them all the same and for much the same reasons…

“As… an entirely negative critical rather than positive programmatic vantage, however, I am more sympathetic to anarchisms, especially of the green, socialist, radical democratic, and queer/punk varieties.”

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