Comments on: Voluntary Collective Licensing as a solution to the copyright wars https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/voluntary-collective-licensing-as-a-solution-to-the-copyright-wars/2006/11/13 Researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices Mon, 08 Sep 2014 08:27:19 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.15 By: Nicholas Bentley https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/voluntary-collective-licensing-as-a-solution-to-the-copyright-wars/2006/11/13/comment-page-1#comment-55814 Sun, 08 Apr 2007 18:12:22 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=595#comment-55814 Maybe the fact that this idea has not gone very far in the last couple of years says something about it! Although Susan Crawford has just brought it up again and still believes it is the answer:

“But it’s clearly the answer, and we’ll get there eventually.”

From reading the EFF blurb the scheme would be voluntary for both rights holders and users but I wonder if it would not lead to yet more confusion for consumers. You pay the sharing license fee and think that you can share music legally but you still would not have permission to share music from artists who have not joined the scheme and how do you identify who is in and who is out?

Even if it could be made to work, is voluntary licensing such as this really peer-to-peer? It would allow some P2P sharing amongst users but in my mind true peer-to-peer is when there is interaction and support between the producer and the consumer.

I believe individual licenses, between creator and consumer, are the true P2P answer and at the same time could allow broader sharing where appropriate.

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By: Crosbie Fitch https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/voluntary-collective-licensing-as-a-solution-to-the-copyright-wars/2006/11/13/comment-page-1#comment-8441 Thu, 16 Nov 2006 23:28:14 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=595#comment-8441 It is ‘voluntary’ in that artists/publishers don’t have to participate if they don’t want to, but then they won’t get any money from the license revenue collected from the users of all ISPs – who are consequently immune to prosecution.

If the system WAS opt-in from the users’ point of view then users could choose whether to use a more expensive VCL licensed ISP, or a cheaper one and risk prosecution by the RIAA. Somehow, I think everyone would go for the cheapies.

There is actually already one opt-in ISP called PlayLouderMSP I think. http://www.playloudermsp.com/thedifference.html

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By: Michel Bauwens https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/voluntary-collective-licensing-as-a-solution-to-the-copyright-wars/2006/11/13/comment-page-1#comment-8391 Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:35:12 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=595#comment-8391 More comments on the voluntary/obligatory aspects of such a global license would be welcome. I actually had a question from the opposite side of Mr. Fitch’s critique: why is it not obligatory?
How could it work if it’s ‘voluntary’?

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By: Crosbie Fitch https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/voluntary-collective-licensing-as-a-solution-to-the-copyright-wars/2006/11/13/comment-page-1#comment-8243 Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:01:39 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=595#comment-8243 It’s like it’s 2004 all over again. This is old news man. Check the date.

VCL – It’s not voluntary, it’s compulsory – weasel words to make folk think it’s optional.

There’s no free market – it’s up to a central committee (through which all the money goes) to decide how much music is worth, and presumably every artist’s work is valued the same, whether a fart from Madonna or ten year’s work capturing whale song by Joe Bloggs.

Taxation of music by the back-door. Music is not something people should be taxed for.

And how do you decide the difference between music and a capella, and a capella and speech, and speech and instructions, and instructions and software, etc.?

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