Comments on: Virtue in peer production (2): overview https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/virtue-in-peer-production-2-overview/2008/05/18 Researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices Wed, 21 May 2008 10:00:17 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.15 By: Michel Bauwens https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/virtue-in-peer-production-2-overview/2008/05/18/comment-page-1#comment-241904 Wed, 21 May 2008 10:00:17 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=1557#comment-241904 ok, you were referring to Wim Nusselder’s statement. I don’t think he means that mimetic desire is only present there, but that the market specially exploits that human tendency.

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By: Zbigniew Lukasiak https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/virtue-in-peer-production-2-overview/2008/05/18/comment-page-1#comment-241864 Wed, 21 May 2008 07:37:33 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=1557#comment-241864 What I had in mind is the paragraph:

The tertiary economy arises with the entrepreneur and capitalism. It is based on ‘equivalent’, i.e. ‘fair’ exchange, which is normative. Power arises from relative productivity, relative monopoly over a needed good, and from the wage relationship which creates dependence. Social groups are loose, and wants are determined by advertising and mimetic desire. Cooperation is no longer correlated to belonging. Relationships are impersonal.

And in particular this fragment: “wants are determined by advertising and mimetic desire”. The fact that wants are determined primarily by mimetic desire is the core of the mimetic theory – maybe what you meant is really ‘mimetic desire (=wants) is determined by advertising’?

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By: Michel Bauwens https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/virtue-in-peer-production-2-overview/2008/05/18/comment-page-1#comment-241687 Wed, 21 May 2008 00:00:13 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=1557#comment-241687 Hi Zbigniew,

I can’t find any statement which would indicate that I hold that opinion? Can you point it out to me? I do not speak of mimetic desire, but of the market based on the self-interest of both transactional partners, without structural regard for external effects (though such effects may be beneficial, and partners may be individually concerned)

Michel

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By: Zbigniew Lukasiak https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/virtue-in-peer-production-2-overview/2008/05/18/comment-page-1#comment-241521 Tue, 20 May 2008 19:14:54 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=1557#comment-241521 I don’t understand why you ascribe mimetic desire to just the market economy. Where does that come from? My understanding of Rene Girard’s theory is that it is about a general mechanism crucially important even in the most primitive societies.

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