Comments on: Using Vested Commons as the core structure of the macro and micro economy https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/using-vested-commons-as-the-core-structure-of-the-macro-and-micro-economy/ Researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices Wed, 21 May 2008 00:07:05 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.17 By: Michel Bauwens https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/using-vested-commons-as-the-core-structure-of-the-macro-and-micro-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-241689 Wed, 21 May 2008 00:07:05 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=1530#comment-241689 Hi Meryn,

I’m tempted to think there is no longer a universal inbox, be it RSS or email, and that it depend on different individual habits. I agree that mailing lists are less searchable, and not optimal for all purposes. But there are still massively used, so many people, including myself, see advantages in the format.

I think we should not be hung up on a particular format, but use the different means in a hopefully wholistic and reinforcing way. At the p2pfoundation we mix wiki, blog, ning social network, social bookmarketing network and mailing lists. What is still lacking is a common twitter or facebook feet I think … Any volunteers to get that going as well?

Michel

]]> By: Meryn Stol https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/using-vested-commons-as-the-core-structure-of-the-macro-and-micro-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-233637 Mon, 05 May 2008 17:14:31 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=1530#comment-233637 Michel, don’t you think the RSS reader is the new inbox, when it comes to following public conversations? And don’t you think that reading something with an URL staring in your face makes it much easier to share this in a non-invasive manner with friends, through Google Shared items, social bookmarking, or a blog-post with a trackback?

Also, while your mailing list archives are plublic and searchable, they are not as public and searchable as blog posts, which appear in dozens of database, including google’s, and technorati.

In general, I believe that posts made on blogs have much higher chance to be referenced by others and read then things put away in mailing lists.

I think that in the future, you will keep finding yourself pushing things from your mailing list to your blog, in exactly the same way as you have done now. I don’t think that provides optimal exposure.

I do think that siloed discussions have their place, but only when the scope of the discussion is limited. A technical project like WordPress or Linux would be the best example for that I think. I don’t believe that is the case for your mailing list.

Although the intellectual level might be much higher than the average blog post, I think the discussions have much relevance to the whole of society, especially the people in the valley (esp because of the “crisis of value”), who clearly are all in the blogosphere, for better or worse.

]]> By: Michel Bauwens https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/using-vested-commons-as-the-core-structure-of-the-macro-and-micro-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-233596 Mon, 05 May 2008 16:53:47 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=1530#comment-233596 Hi Mervyn,

thanks for your comments so far. I just want to add that our mailing lists are not private, but public, this means both that anyone can join, and that they are searchable. I personally think that they still have a purpose and a niche, they are good at some things that neither wiki’s or blogs can be used for; and because they come in your mailbox, they are different from forums where you have to (virtually) ‘go to’ …

Michel

]]> By: Meryn Stol https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/using-vested-commons-as-the-core-structure-of-the-macro-and-micro-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-231526 Sun, 04 May 2008 08:22:00 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=1530#comment-231526 Thanks, Patrick.

I personally don’t think that all conversations should be integrated, that is, there are true “project-specific” conversations. A wiki, or a certain wiki page could each be considered a project.

I think it’s a good thing that the P2P foundation wiki exists, because it’s a summary of information on P2P thinking. I’m not so sure about a separate mailing list, because the topic of P2P obviously affects the whole world. I think matters of public concern could best be discussed in public, so anyone can weigh in with ease.

]]> By: Meryn Stol https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/using-vested-commons-as-the-core-structure-of-the-macro-and-micro-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-230838 Sat, 03 May 2008 18:27:56 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=1530#comment-230838 I know that email lists are still in active use, but so are faxes. They’re used for important things like sending true handwritten signatures around… But still, that’s old. That’s what I was saying.

You guys are extremely future-minded, otherwise you wouldn’t be talking about new ways of organizing the economy. I think you can better get a sense of the future by trying to live in the future as much as possible, hence, leaving as much of the past, including old technologies, behind.

Or do you think SMTP will have a place in the future?

In any case, I don’t really mind that much. I know I’ll get updated in due time about any developments by you or others in your network. I was just trying to address Michel’s issue.

In any cae, I wish you all the best with your discussion. I think you have a complete new economic paradigm ready soon. 🙂

]]> By: Patrick Anderson https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/using-vested-commons-as-the-core-structure-of-the-macro-and-micro-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-230600 Sat, 03 May 2008 15:30:09 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=1530#comment-230600 Meryn,

I agree unified conversations could help any community.

Your questions have made me think (again) about what it would take to merge some of the communication technologies such as:

Telephone, chat, email, wiki, blogs, bug-tracking, feature requests, version control, …

I’m not yet sure how to approach this syncretism, but here are some of the P2P hot-spots I know of:

ListCultures.org/mailman/listinfo/p2presearch_listcultures.org

Oekonux.org/list-en

P2PFoundation.Ning.com

P2PFoundation.net/Special:Recentchanges

If anyone knows of others that should be in this list, please post them here.

Patrick

]]> By: Sam Rose https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/using-vested-commons-as-the-core-structure-of-the-macro-and-micro-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-229162 Fri, 02 May 2008 15:12:10 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=1530#comment-229162 Meryn, we request that complaints about the employment of email lists be sent via postal mail to:

attn: Email lists are so “last century”
PO Box 1212
Tilta Whirl, NH 010101

Thank you!

]]> By: james https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/using-vested-commons-as-the-core-structure-of-the-macro-and-micro-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-228677 Fri, 02 May 2008 09:03:35 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=1530#comment-228677 meryn, email lists are what powers most software code written making things like for instance this blog. Developers use lists still for development, to report bugs, etc.

]]> By: Meryn Stol https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/using-vested-commons-as-the-core-structure-of-the-macro-and-micro-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-227626 Thu, 01 May 2008 13:10:42 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=1530#comment-227626 You wouldn’t join me, you (in plural) would join the blogosphere, you would join “the” conversation. It could raise your visibility.

“There’s a lot of hidden discussion going on through various list such as list-en, our p2presearch list, and others, which often are not seen by too many people.”
You’ve noticed the problem yourself.

]]> By: Michel Bauwens https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/using-vested-commons-as-the-core-structure-of-the-macro-and-micro-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-227600 Thu, 01 May 2008 12:54:28 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=1530#comment-227600 First thought such an strange comment had to be spam, but apparently not. Not sure what you are referring to? That the millions of people using email and mailing lists should join you and use what exactly?

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