Comments on: Unemployment Is The Cure https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unemployment-is-the-cure/2011/09/21 Researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices Thu, 06 Feb 2014 03:02:40 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.15 By: Chris Baulman https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unemployment-is-the-cure/2011/09/21/comment-page-1#comment-635921 Thu, 06 Feb 2014 03:02:40 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=19660#comment-635921 We are ALL now dependent on exploitation of others & of the environment, not just for our lifestyles which are clearly unsustainable & unjust, but for our very survival. Literally, if I am to be able to keep a roof overhead I need to be able to continue to pay the rent/ mortgage. To do that I need to maintain a job for life, working for one of those exploiting businesses or their agents or lackeys. This is the result of the fact that the elite once stole our birthright of access to land & we can only have access if we agree to serve them & their descendants, agents & lackeys forever more.

Don’t believe it? Try telling your boss you object to his ethics, or Centrelink that you will not work for any of these … you will immediately find yourself without money, without a roof, exposed, getting sicker and dying soon enough. Until landrights are restored there is a gun at our heads. We will continue to operate on the basis of survival of the fittest until we are free to choose a different path, & that requires that the natural foundation for life, OUR NATURAL RIGHT OF FREE ACCESS TO air, water sunlight and LAND is restored.

How might that come about?
Revolution? No! The elites, & their working & middle class servants who enjoy & depend on social stability for this crazy system to chug on delivering our lifestyles have the guns!

What they (we) want is MORE of everything, except tax which we want less of … especially less welfare for those unemployed bludgers! So why not reduce their welfare dependence by letting them take some responsibility for their own food & shelter? They already have free access to land via public housing & rent subsidies, so instead of forcing them to look for ever shrinking job opportunities (maintaining the crazy system) why not ALLOW (NOT FORCE!) them the OPTION to satisfy their mutual obligation to society by reducing their welfare dependence by taking more responsibility for their own food & shelter? see https://www.facebook.com/pages/Change-Centrelink-Activity-Test/111159512287661?id=111159512287661&sk=info

Why might the beneficiaries of the current crazy system support this? It would save taxes, would enhance social stability & give them vital, safe neighbourhoods to return home to after their 40 hour week. see http://ntw.net46.net/NTWmodel/NTWModeloverview.htm

Chris Baulman
@landrights4all

]]> By: Sepp Hasslberger https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unemployment-is-the-cure/2011/09/21/comment-page-1#comment-541683 Tue, 16 Jul 2013 18:57:10 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=19660#comment-541683 The work of Silvio Gesell (“The Natural Economic Order”) is interesting in this connection.

He also suggests that income from a community’s land resources should be turned into a kind of general income by paying all mothers for bringing up a family. The argument was that the women actually shape the next generation by what they are doing, and it’s a valuable contribution to society and the common wellbeing.

]]> By: Christian Debray https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unemployment-is-the-cure/2011/09/21/comment-page-1#comment-539780 Fri, 28 Jun 2013 21:36:23 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=19660#comment-539780 I appréciate and mostly agree.
There is a way to improve (at least temporary)the actual system.
Like in 1948 a international conference to change economy.
International economic system must accept in GDP the cost of constructing a man (education, healt, etc.).
If it is accepted the international crisis of unemployment is temporary over because all contry will have enough money to do so.

]]> By: mrG https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unemployment-is-the-cure/2011/09/21/comment-page-1#comment-491219 Mon, 02 Apr 2012 04:56:17 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=19660#comment-491219 that’s the logical fallacy of the the straw man isn’t it? Clearly there is more dimensionality to both North Korea and Sweden than your argument presents, and you also don’t demonstrate Sweden as being, in fact, ‘inclusive’ any more than the United States. As for the medieval cities, I’m not sure of the metric you’d be using, but I do follow the reasoning of Charles Eisenstein when he points out that the Serf was not a prisoner or a slave, but belonged to the land in the same sense that many aboriginal peoples sense that they ‘belong’ to the land rather than the land belonging to them, and Eisenstein points out how the Feudal Lord was not given license to buy and sell his domain, but only to manage it, so he wasn’t ‘free’ either, just merely executive.

]]> By: Michel Bauwens https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unemployment-is-the-cure/2011/09/21/comment-page-1#comment-491218 Mon, 02 Apr 2012 04:42:37 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=19660#comment-491218 In reply to mrG.

This has always been the argument of the elites, but there is actually evidence that inclusive systems fare better than exclusive systems. Ancient democratic Greece and the European free medieval cities didn’t do that badly at all … and would you really live rather in say north korea than say Finland or Sweden?

]]> By: mrG https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unemployment-is-the-cure/2011/09/21/comment-page-1#comment-491206 Fri, 30 Mar 2012 14:10:56 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=19660#comment-491206 is it possible to pair democratic and rational in the same sentence? This is the essential argument of Edward Bernays in his 1920 book, Propaganda where he asserts that the masses lack the necessary skills to make good choices, and our modern psychology then adds the further oft-repeated result that this same lack of skill results in a populace who even more strongly believe they are capable! And so, said Bernays, the objective of the ruling elite is to make it appear to the population that there is choice, but to orchestrate those choices such that they democratic voter is only offered the products that (a) can be delivered and (b) do not upset the process being managed by the elite. In this sense, the problem is not with capitalism or socialism or any of the other flavours of otherwise identical soda we’re being sold, but the problem is the stewards of industry have the wrong idea about the objectives of Humanity, or probably more accurately, they have, through the Money Cult, painted themselves into a corner. Nonetheless, however much its application has taken a wrong turn, isn’t the propaganda methodology still sound?

]]> By: norete33 https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unemployment-is-the-cure/2011/09/21/comment-page-1#comment-491205 Thu, 29 Mar 2012 17:56:01 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=19660#comment-491205 Nothing new, please read Karl Marx. The problem is we already have the efficience to work only a couple of days a week, but the capitalism system can’t make it work. We need Socialism, not stalinist Socialism but democratic Socialism from below by making all the big means of production public and working under a rational plan. Anything less will not work.

]]> By: Michel Bauwens https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unemployment-is-the-cure/2011/09/21/comment-page-1#comment-486516 Wed, 12 Oct 2011 11:10:28 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=19660#comment-486516 In reply to Juno Moneta.

well that’s workfare, really another term for slavery, and it’s already being done … Much more interesting is the proposal for an Economic Transition Income by Christian Arnsperger.

]]> By: Juno Moneta https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unemployment-is-the-cure/2011/09/21/comment-page-1#comment-486514 Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:54:06 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=19660#comment-486514 Perhaps an initial step would be for Unemployment insurance to be tied, after some period (say 26 weeks), to service in a non-profit. The insurance money being paid to that organization for disbursement to the individuals. Some community service resources otherwise unavailable would be realized locally.

]]> By: Juno Moneta https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unemployment-is-the-cure/2011/09/21/comment-page-1#comment-486513 Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:31:02 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=19660#comment-486513 Edward Miller, the problem is that we no longer have “communities” with the means and authority to equitably redistribute resources based on local needs. Over time they have morphed into The State which redistributes resources based on plutocratic powers politically and geographically distant from the resources.

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