Comments on: Thimbl – enabling distributed social networking https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/thimbl-enabling-distributed-social-networking/ Researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices Mon, 13 Oct 2014 20:19:08 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.17 By: Dmytri Kleiner https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/thimbl-enabling-distributed-social-networking/comment-page-1/#comment-445699 Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:33:10 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=10917#comment-445699 Myst, by the way, the mammatus configuration that thimbl employs is “The Revoluzzer” –> http://mammatus.thimbl.net/The_Revoluzzer

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By: Dmytri Kleiner https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/thimbl-enabling-distributed-social-networking/comment-page-1/#comment-445698 Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:31:38 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=10917#comment-445698 Myst, you can find info on mammatus at http://mammatus.thimbl.net

It is not essential to host the thimbl api on a mammatus cloud, that’s just how our implementation will work.

Best,

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By: Myst https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/thimbl-enabling-distributed-social-networking/comment-page-1/#comment-444603 Fri, 15 Oct 2010 16:16:52 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=10917#comment-444603 Thanks for responding, Dmytri.

I got the impression that there was a dependency on DNS from your slide show on thimbl.net, which says that your system relies on DNS, SSH and finger.

I would like to understand your mammatus platform, but your “how it works” page, where I assume it will be explained, is incomplete and as of now only has a diagram on it with a “Mammatus cloud” component. I look forward to learning what is inside the “cloud”.

I think your concept is promising. Good luck with it.

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By: Dmytri Kleiner https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/thimbl-enabling-distributed-social-networking/comment-page-1/#comment-443702 Mon, 11 Oct 2010 09:36:44 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=10917#comment-443702 Mark, perhaps, but for the 1st version we want as few dependencies as possible, since any extra dependency will be impede adoption.

Myst, the decentralization is a biproduct of the multi-tier architecture, the DNS dependency is only for our own implementation of the API tier. Since we expect that lots of hosts will chose to use our API instead of running that tier on their own, we created the mammatus platform to easily scale our own API deployment. There is nothing in the Thimbl architecture that depends our DNS-based HA model, anymore than any other platform that needs to resolve domain names. The profile and account services are plain twisted/python that a host can implement separately from Mammatus if they want, we will also create a standalone API implementation later on.

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By: Myst https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/thimbl-enabling-distributed-social-networking/comment-page-1/#comment-443528 Sun, 10 Oct 2010 19:56:25 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=10917#comment-443528 The approach is elegant (keep it simple, use existing technology), but if a main goal is to decentralize, the dependency on DNS must be considered a flaw.

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By: Mark Carter https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/thimbl-enabling-distributed-social-networking/comment-page-1/#comment-443457 Sun, 10 Oct 2010 14:21:03 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=10917#comment-443457 I got to thinking: might git repos be a novel way of powering distributed social networks. It sounds bizarre, I know, but consider this: git is a distributed protocol, it has push and pull capabilities, the notion of the “web of trust”, and has security baked in. It’s a transport layer. What goes into the repo is, of course, the content. Interesting idea?

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By: Dmytri Kleiner https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/thimbl-enabling-distributed-social-networking/comment-page-1/#comment-443456 Sun, 10 Oct 2010 14:01:16 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=10917#comment-443456 Mark, Fritter is cool. supporting the ~user public_html covention has been part of the plan since the beginning with thimbl too. As we say, Thimbl is a performance as much as a platform, getting people to think about simple, multi-tier solutions based on standard, existing platforms is the main goal.

Chris, StatusNet is a centralized web-app with federation bolted-on. Thimbl is a distrubuted, transparently interoperable multitier platform based on established standards, that is why Thimbl does not store any client data whatsoever, why you can participate in Thimbl without installing anything developed by the Thimbl project on your server, just running software you already have, finger & ssh, and why any user will be able to use any instance of the UI (which anyone can clone and host, since it’s just static html & javascript) and any instance of the UI can work with any instance of the API (which itself based on the distributed Mammatus platform wich we developed for this purpose). See the Diagram here: http://www.thimbl.net/#about

The similarity betweebn Thimbl and platforms like StatusNet is only superficial, in that we draw upon similarities with
web2.0 platforms in how we communicate our use-case.

Regarding OStatus, we can and will bolt-on suport for different federation protocol such as OStatus at the API layer (and maybe even UI layer) but not in the first itteration, since our goal now is only to produce a “minimal viable product” and build a community around the platform.

Thanks for the comments.

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By: Chris Watkins https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/thimbl-enabling-distributed-social-networking/comment-page-1/#comment-443374 Sun, 10 Oct 2010 04:03:13 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=10917#comment-443374 That’s cool, but does it offer anything that StatusNet doesn’t? I may not have understood the technical aspects.

One concern I have is that they don’t seem to be following the OStatus protocols (formerly OpenMicroBlogging), so it won’t play as nicely with other microblog services, esp Identi.ca/StatusNet. Admittedly it’s only sites using StatusNet software that follow it so far, but at least it’s a protocol which already works and successfully interfaces with many services and clients.

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By: Mark Carter https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/thimbl-enabling-distributed-social-networking/comment-page-1/#comment-443227 Sat, 09 Oct 2010 13:43:37 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=10917#comment-443227 Inspired by thimbl (but not knowing how it worked – maybe I should check it out in detail), I came up with my own toy implementation of a Free Twitter (which I named Fritter) over at http://alt-mcarter.blogspot.com/2010/10/my-twitterthimbl-rival-fritter-free.html .

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