Comments on: The flawed circuits of value in the lulz economy https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/the-flawed-circuits-of-value-in-the-lulz-economy/2014/08/11 Researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices Mon, 11 Aug 2014 17:56:07 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.15 By: No one, no one at all https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/the-flawed-circuits-of-value-in-the-lulz-economy/2014/08/11/comment-page-1#comment-838328 Mon, 11 Aug 2014 17:56:07 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=40554#comment-838328 recipients of Kickstarter financing can use such financing to make money, but such income does not flow back to those that donated the funds in the first place.

It very well could, either directly or indirectly. Imagine this: A crowdfunds project X which B works on, B uses a portion of their income to crowdfund project Y which C works on, C uses a portion of their income to crowdfund project Z which A works on, A uses a portion of their income to crowdfund project X which B works on. The circle is now closed. There is no reason the money can’t come full circle; if everything was crowdfunded it inevitably would.

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By: Patrick S https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/the-flawed-circuits-of-value-in-the-lulz-economy/2014/08/11/comment-page-1#comment-838075 Mon, 11 Aug 2014 11:03:45 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=40554#comment-838075 As usual an interesting and provocative post by Dmitri.

I guess several times on this blog we’ve discussed what it would take for FOSS to be come a full-fledged mode of production, like peer production license and other appropriate institutions to share/protect earnings for commons participants.

On the other hand I think FOSS can certainly “disrupt capitalism” as is, even if not as a full mode, by undermining the scarcity needed as part of a successful commodification process. Of course one way this is employed is by different strains of capital in the info-tech ecosystem trying to disrupt each other’s business model, as Joel Kropotkin argued rather perceptively in his Strategy Letter V (http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/StrategyLetterV.html). (Although he talks about a strategy to ‘commoditizing your complements’, when in the case of FOSS it might be better described as ‘common-ize your complements’).

I was thinking along the lines of how FOSS arguably also supports small producers and service providers by being a commons means-of-production allowing them to sell services more competitively with larger capital-intensive companies with a business model based on proprietary IP. I.E. akin to a move back to a more idealised form of 19th C market capitalism :- where firms have to compete much more directly on their ability to implement a solution more quickly and cheaply than others starting from a level playing field, rather than using market power based on size, or aiming to use/develop proprietary IP to establish monopolistic positions and thus rent-seek etc.

But then under capitalism, perhaps the interesting thing here is the built-in-limits to this process :- as if the underlying commons software of FOSS is _too_ good (in particular: too user-friendly and simple to set up for the non-expert), it would seem likely to increasingly reduce the market demand for these consultant’s services – clients would just do the job themselves. Yet the FOSS software has to be capable enough that it helps potential clients believe the service provider can implement a good solution with the platform.

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