Comments on: Terje Bongard: No grant for MEDOSS https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/terje-bongard-no-grant-for-medoss/2014/03/19 Researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices Thu, 03 Nov 2016 05:56:21 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.15 By: Øyvind Holmstad https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/terje-bongard-no-grant-for-medoss/2014/03/19/comment-page-1#comment-886368 Sat, 20 Sep 2014 07:02:50 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=37696#comment-886368 The RID-Model is a down-up system, but as a democracy it has to include everyone. If one hawk is free to predate on the system, it will fail. It has to include everyone into the system, so it has to be implemented top-down, as you say. It has to be equal for everyone at once.

The RID-model will be focused around production, every in-group to be responsible for their own little part of the production system. This is because the production system is what threatens our survival, still it’s outside of democratic control.

What is the point of the ingroup-model is to harvest the fruits from the “positive” side of the handicap principle, which is the driver of human behavior. This “good force” we can use to organize every aspect of society. No matter how it comes alive, bottom up or top down, the fruits of this force are the same, cooperation, sacrificing, modesty etc.

You see this aspect of the handicap-principle most clearly among the social flock bird the arabian babbler, which Amotz Zahavi, the “founder” of the handicap-principle, studied in the Negev Desert for 40 years. See the book: The handicap principle: A Missing Piece of Darwin’s Puzzle. 1997, Oxford, UK: Oxford University Press. By Amotz and Avishag Zahavi.

On the contrary, our capitalist and modernist system, almost entirely grows the “dark side of the force”, the “janus face” of human nature. Terje Bongard exemplifies this in his book “The biological human being” (http://leveveg.blogspot.no/2014/01/the-biological-human-being-individuals.html) with using the Australian satin bowerbird as an example of a “capitalist”, that mean growing the “destructive” force of the handicap principle in human society. If a society is organized around this side of the handicap principle, you get a bunch of egoists.

Earlier people instinctively organized to harvest the benefits from the handicap principle, like in the tribe. Or in the alexandrine pattern 37: http://www.patternlanguage.com/apl/aplsample/apl37/apl37.htm

The RID-Model (http://www.resilience.org/articles/General/2013/12_Dec/bongard61.jpg) would create the ultimate commons, dissolving both the market and the state, making us all part of an superorganism. Where every individual had an equal say. This is a highly scientific model stemming from the best knowledge available about human behavioral biology.

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By: vera https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/terje-bongard-no-grant-for-medoss/2014/03/19/comment-page-1#comment-882308 Mon, 15 Sep 2014 14:35:12 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=37696#comment-882308 Øyvind, this cannot be started top down. For it to work, it must be done bottom up. Relatively invisible to the powers that be. So… get going, your little girl needs you not to give up! 🙂

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