I don’t speak myself of the ‘spanish revolution’ but of a moment in the “p2p revolution”. The reason is that the spanish mobilizations do not in any way yet directly challenge power. But why are they important nevertheless. To my mind because they are the first effective mass mobilisation by the new culture, on its own terms. Thus, I see it as a tipping point, the ball is now rolling, but all of us will have to learn a lot before becoming effective at actual change. But what has changed, I think with no way back, is the birth of a new subjectivity. This new generation has changed ‘inside’ and ‘for’ themselves, clearly planting a flag and announcing the new world. In a way, despite its still relative “lame” appearance, it’s actually already more radical than what happened in the Middle East. The unity of the movement there is around removing dictators and establishing democracy, but the type of democracy that is familiar to us, and we know what kind of weak and inconsequent democracy that is. By demanding “real democracy” therefore, they are demanding something new and much more radical.

Regarding “In the case of the arab countries what we witness is the change of clientelar dictatorial sub-elites whose allegiance is being doubted of to “true democratic regimes” whose allegiance can not be doubted” – Would you mind expanding please? I am not sure I am understanding.. Are you saying that true democratic (true at least in terms of proper elections) Arab regimes will no doubt bend (“whose allegiance cannot be doubted”) to what you call top elites (western govs?).

Nobody is donating (your word) anything in the Middle East, if anything Arabs are trying to achieve what has been called democracy over here up until two weeks ago because it has been the paradigm (and, realistically, still is) all along. When you expand, do you mind mentioning how much knowledge (direct or academic or casual/random) of the Middle East and/or current events over there you have? Thanks!

Opino que hay una “masa crítica” del horror por debajo de la cual ya no debiéramos jugar a saber de teoría de juegos: deberíamos ser humanos responsables y con algún sentimiento de reciprocidad, de compasión humana.

Gracias por leerme. Un saludo.

It is wrong to make people think the elites are a monolitic bloc with only one aim and perfect cohesion among them.

There exists an certain logic they can no longer escape once they start living by it and thus become elite… but the elite also is a hierarchy of wolves that compete among each other for the upper places of the pyramid.

The phase we actually entered when the subprime bubble busted is one of damage control and search of substitute growth vectors.

As suboptimally exploited natural resources not yet under control of some elite are becoming scarce and costly to acquire control of, the elites increase the wealth transfer from their “sheeple” because that is still easier to achieve than forcefully dispute assets between different elites.

Outright war is only practical when the expected increased control of additional resources outweights the cost of waging it… thus there is a certain ongoing competition between competing top elites to “bring democracy” to non-elite (or weak elite) controlled territories. In the case of the arab countries what we witness is the change of clientelar dictatorial sub-elites whose allegiance is being doubted of to “true democratic regimes” whose allegiance can not be doubted.

They are being donated the type of “democracy” the elites like… and it happens to be also the type of “democracy” we can not stand anymore in the west and are trying to get rid of.

Makes me laugh when both movements are mentioned in one single sentence 😉 . It only increases the FUD and hinders the clear sight towards a real solution (the one the #XRevolution movements can’t seem to find and thus warrants their uselessness).

Well, not sure what the ‘wrong story’ that I’m peddling is, since I agree with your comments? The spanish and other mobilizations should not be seen as fully formed, they are merely the first stage of a new cycle of struggle and mobilization that will be based on a new set of political values. And in some ways, they have truly radical premises. The Arab uprisings were about democracy, but in practice, ‘our democracy’, which as we know, is not a real democracy. Hence the demand for ‘real democracy’ is truly radical and revolutionary. Of course, a lot is still lacking in the movement, and as long as they do not tackle power directly, it won’t be able to affect change. But what is important is that the new generation is mobilizing on their own terms, and starting to go through their own educational processes, of what politics and social change are about. For that, they need demands that really ‘hurt’ the other side, and we’re not there yet.

This is a game-theory setup with multiple “non-cooperative” elite players, some of them wanting -but not getting near yet- the NWO super-solution, and myriads of non-elite players.

Not even the biggest of elite players, not even the NWO Consortium, can have all it wants his way without extreme effort.

As soon as the non-elite players figure out a doable plan to sidetrack the elites, mighty as they appear now, they are history.

That is what all elites are also well aware of… and not necessarily too many non-elite players.

The actual movements have no plan, thus no future, and will be throttled to get as much steam out of the kettle harmlessly.

Unless they awake and stop asking things that are only possible in a nirvana they are far from reaching yet.

One can not dream of a perfect world without greed and abuse… and get there only using the tools that would be normal in such a world. Societies without defenses can only survive in plastic bubbles as long as viral contamination exists. If those that would like to live in them discard the use of antivirals as being not in their nature… they will never make their way into creating that virusless world… because virae (even merely intellectual ones) have to be rooted out ACTIVELY. You can not dream them away.

Ironically, the very refusal to reform the diseased system after 2008, due to the sense of invulnerability of the elite, is also the precondition for the coming explosion …; “they” basically ruled out the softer options for change … and by taking too much away, force even the doubters into the camp of resistance