Comments on: Richard Telofski — Insidious Competition https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/richard-telofski-insidious-competition/2010/11/05 Researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices Mon, 13 Oct 2014 20:19:16 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.15 By: Todd S. https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/richard-telofski-insidious-competition/2010/11/05/comment-page-1#comment-448792 Tue, 09 Nov 2010 23:09:39 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=11539#comment-448792 The attitude that you are talking about is what drove me from being a faithful reader of mises.org to being a faithful reader of c4ss and a lot of Long’s stuff. It’s almost entirely thanks to your work that I’ve discovered the whole Maker culture and sites like this one – things that naturally appeal to me and my nature yet I’ve somehow overlooked for most of my adult life.

The idea of a distributed network being capable of producing much of what we require capital-intensive large-scale factories for today is quite heartening, and looking more like reality every day. My only real hope is that I can get in on the fun and quit the wage slavery before I’m too old to enjoy it.

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By: Kevin Carson https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/richard-telofski-insidious-competition/2010/11/05/comment-page-1#comment-448781 Tue, 09 Nov 2010 20:09:21 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=11539#comment-448781 Thanks, Todd S.: The more I think about it, the more Telofski’s assumptions seem to be what C. Wright Mills called “crackpot realism”: the assumption that the Little Eichmanns running the present system are just thankless servants of the common man, who have the realism to do What Needs To Be Done — while questioning the present way of organizing things, on a fundamental level, indicates a basic lack of seriousness.

It’s the attitude of The Major in Suarez’s “Daemon” novels: the present system is the only way to produce a high standard of living for so many people, and blah blah woof woof, but the average person is an ingrate who doesn’t want to know what goes into his sausage and prefers to live in a world of rainbows and kitties. The soccer mom driving Hannah and Emma to piano practice in her SUV takes her pink-ass suburban lifestyle for granted, without ever stopping to thank the military torturers and death squads that make it all possible. Gotta break eggs to make an omelet, etc., etc., etc.

Such people display a remarkable lack of reflectiveness on just how contingent the present model of organization really is. There is a wide range of possibilities for organization given the basic material and technological realities at any given time (e.g. the rival decentralized craft and centralized mass-production alternatives for integrating electrically powered machinery into manufacturing a hundred years ago). The real difference in “necessity” concerns, not the requirements for a comfortable median standard of living, but the requirements for supporting a superstructure of Little Eichmanns. For them, “No Other World is Possible.”

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By: Todd S. https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/richard-telofski-insidious-competition/2010/11/05/comment-page-1#comment-448237 Sat, 06 Nov 2010 13:50:22 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=11539#comment-448237 Thanks for reading this for us, Kevin. From your quotes, I can tell that I’d have thrown the book into the BBQ pit before finishing the first chapter. Incidentally, the chicken breasts that I would have grilled over the ensuing fire were bought from a local poultry farmer, bypassing both the supermarket and the corporate poultry packing house.

One paragraph in particular stood out to me given my own experiences with working for a large corporation:

Telofski overlooks the possibility that in many cases insidious competitors are in competition, not with corporations as such, but with their management. In such cases, the empowerment of management at the expense of other stakeholders may result in a degradation of efficiency. It’s frequently been found, for example, that high degrees of self-management and profit-sharing, and reduced inequality and authoritarianism within the workplace, increases overall productivity. But while such reforms are very much in the interests of the productivity of the organization, they’re also very much opposed to the material and power interests of management. It’s frequently in management’s interest to get a larger piece of a smaller pie. But in every case, Telofski assumes that any interference with “standard business practices” as defined by cowboy MBAs will result in a loss of efficiency.

My employer is quite fond of reminding us of all the bounties they bestow upon us – without us actually having asked for any of them BTW. I got so frustrate with my own boss the other day after the usual propagandizing that I blurted out “There’s one thing they’d never grant us in a million years: autonomy in our work.”. He quickly changed the subject after that.

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