Comments on: P2P movement VS State ownership: The case of the ERT https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/p2p-movement-vs-state-ownership-the-case-of-the-ert/ Researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:39:15 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.16 By: P2P Foundation » Blog Archive » Een campagne om het audiovisuele archief van de Griekse openbare uitzendende vrije vennootschap (draft vesrion) https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/p2p-movement-vs-state-ownership-the-case-of-the-ert/comment-page-1/#comment-170929 Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:39:15 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/p2p-movement-vs-state-ownership-the-case-of-the-ert/2007/12/14#comment-170929 […] De oudere posten in het Engels over het onderwerp kunnen hier worden gevonden [1] [2] Geef ERT audiovisueel archief vrij […]

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By: Let’s set the ERT audiovisual archive free (manifesto - draft) » P2P Foundation https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/p2p-movement-vs-state-ownership-the-case-of-the-ert/comment-page-1/#comment-168963 Sun, 06 Jan 2008 14:12:57 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/p2p-movement-vs-state-ownership-the-case-of-the-ert/2007/12/14#comment-168963 […] A campaign to set the audiovisual archive of the Greek public broadcasting company (ERT) free -under peer property legal regimes- is to be launched soon. Hereby I cite the English draft of the manifesto that will be included in the relevant Web platform, which is under construction at the moment. The platform will be designed so that everybody can write a post, sign the petition and even take part in the campaign as an equal peer. I will keep you informed about the developments and the progress of our effort. Older posts in English about the case can be found here [1] [2] Let’s set the ERT audiovisual archive free […]

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By: Tο ελληνικό blog της P2P Foundation » Blog Archive » Οπτικοακουστικά Ελγίνεια: γιατί η κοινότ https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/p2p-movement-vs-state-ownership-the-case-of-the-ert/comment-page-1/#comment-158709 Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:41:59 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/p2p-movement-vs-state-ownership-the-case-of-the-ert/2007/12/14#comment-158709 […] Καθώς οι ομότιμες μορφές ιδιοκτησίας αποτελούν θεσμικά μορφές πανανθρώπινου μοιράσματος του πλούτου, οι σύμμαχοι βρίσκονται σε όλο τον πλανήτη, είναι δυνητικά δισεκατομμύρια δικτυωμένοι πολίτες (η πρώτη έκκληση διεθνούς δημοσιοποίησης αναρτήθηκε ήδη στο αγγλικό blog του P2P). Το μόνο ερώτημα είναι πόσο γρήγορα θα επιτευχθεί ο στόχος. […]

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By: Michel Bauwens https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/p2p-movement-vs-state-ownership-the-case-of-the-ert/comment-page-1/#comment-158229 Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:22:21 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/p2p-movement-vs-state-ownership-the-case-of-the-ert/2007/12/14#comment-158229 Hi Vasilis,

some comments and questions:

Should all public property revers to a commons? to which one? and under what institutional regime?

It seems to me that we are very early in this struggle, and that what is on the order of the day for moment is the ‘freeing of the data’, which is a little different than putting the TV itself under ‘peer property’. In this modified scenario, it is the ‘data’ of the state tv which are put in a commons format, universally accessible to all. This is a fight which has been fought in several countries, creates a connection with existing movements, and has a record of experience and success, rather than to call for a as-yet-untried solution, for which there is no precedent.

The difference is that TV production is expensive, scarce, and therefore best handled by public property under a democratic regime; however once produced, the data become distributable at marginal cost and therefore should be available at all.

The arguments for open data, ‘freeing public data’, is the following: the public property of the state television has been realized by the money of all citizens, and should therefore be accessible to all citizens without extra payment, since they already payed for it.
This is the moral argument.

The pragmatic argument, against those that say that privatising and selling brings in income, is that it is in fact much more interesting financially, to free the data, as this create a thriving and innovative market (see google earth or gps for that matter) but of course also a thriving social usage, while selling to a few select companies, in fact excludes many of these possibilities. It creates monopolies, at best creates a tiny market, and no social usage at all.

see open access to government information, here at http://p2pfoundation.net/Open_Data

also:

* Free Our Data (The Guardian technology section), http://www.freeourdata.org.uk/index.php

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