Comments on: On the logic of cultism at the Integral institutes https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/on-the-logic-of-cultism-at-the-integral-institutes/2006/06/13 Researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices Sat, 25 Oct 2014 11:03:09 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.15 By: rachellouise https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/on-the-logic-of-cultism-at-the-integral-institutes/2006/06/13/comment-page-1#comment-422015 Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:32:34 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=245#comment-422015 well, i read the earpy thing, and have these thoughts

1) i do find it funny, sorry, that is just my sense of humour, ( i dont think its because i am turquoise as the piece seems to suggest) i just get that Ken was mad at his critics, and this is the way most of us would like to speak to our critics, just common decency gets in the way

2) however, i dont find it useful, as he and his followers do seem to think

3) this is because regardless whether he is right or wrong about his critics, and probably a lot of the time he is wrong,

writing a diatribe aimed at who he is calling ‘green’ critics, a diatribe in which he clearly expresses his opinion that the ‘green’ critics wont get it, is well – pointless, maybe cruel, and (my opinion) stupid.

apart from points already raised he used some tactics after the letter, i found distressing, a deep rumble of something like fear comes up from my belly i was around bullies at school, and this seems similar tome

anyway i notice that if you are around integral you are supposed to despise Cowan for his arrogance, and anger. However, if you do read his stuff, maybe you will agree with me, it is well thought out – with plenty of evidence replete arguments to back up his perspectives, and some, frustration (not rudeness) in parts with Wilber and Beck, not nearly as rude as Ken though and with more thought out perspectives on kens work,

anyway some people dont want to be in kens gang, and i think it is a lot to do with his attitude, as much as anything else.

i was at an integral womens thing in 2006/7 and i brought up my discomfort with ken. Diane actually said that nearly everyone around him feels the same way (of course that was then, she and they, may have changed their minds now) and they just work with it.

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By: Maury Lee https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/on-the-logic-of-cultism-at-the-integral-institutes/2006/06/13/comment-page-1#comment-144955 Fri, 23 Nov 2007 02:42:03 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=245#comment-144955 One seeks outside authority to move in a direction in which one does not feel enough self confidence. Ultimately, it is the self which is choosing the outside authority. If one can keep that in mind, one is then free at some point to dump the authority and claim one’s own.

Ultimately, development towards maturity is this process. If Wilber isn’t going to release his followers to their own authority, then he’s not really in favor of maturity and growth, and this destroys the whole edifice.

Models are models. They are helpful aids, but they are not the truth. They are not containers of truth, they are just sophisticated pointers. Ultimately all pointers must be left behind. Ultimately we all must stand on our own two feet in the unknown, and look out in awe at the mystery.

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By: I’ve been thinking… at He’s Just Had Coffee https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/on-the-logic-of-cultism-at-the-integral-institutes/2006/06/13/comment-page-1#comment-775 Tue, 13 Jun 2006 23:25:31 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=245#comment-775 […] Which some people have tried to brand a cult loyalty test. But here’s what arose in me when pondering this: […]

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By: Deep Surface » An Authoritarian Cult? https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/on-the-logic-of-cultism-at-the-integral-institutes/2006/06/13/comment-page-1#comment-774 Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:15:13 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=245#comment-774 […] As much as I dig Wilber’s work (see my last post), I’m quite disturbed, like Paul by a well-reasoned post on the P2P blog. James Burke posted an update on the previous entry, showing the claim that Wilber now says that the outrageous rant was written on purpose. This is entirely consistent with the cultic process. […]

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