Comments on: Mushin Schilling on sharing vs. the Cartesian fallacy of separation https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/mushin-schilling-on-sharing-vs-the-cartesian-fallacy-of-separation/2011/05/23 Researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:41:21 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.15 By: Sepp Hasslberger https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/mushin-schilling-on-sharing-vs-the-cartesian-fallacy-of-separation/2011/05/23/comment-page-1#comment-484951 Thu, 26 May 2011 08:19:53 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=16136#comment-484951 I am happy to see a challenge to Descartes’ view of the world and his reduction of existence to “cogito ergo sum”.

Just to show how all pervading the Cartesian view of the world is, take his system of co-ordinates. It has become second nature to us to think that we live in a “three dimensional” world. Of course there are three dimensions. That’s one of the fundamentals of existence, or is it really?

I remember a conference a friend organized here in Italy about two decades ago. Cartesio and the world of Physics. Perhaps I was the only one thinking to challenge Descartes, and I did so by showing that – far from being a fundamental of existence – the Cartesian co-ordinate system was only one of many possible ones. I showed that instead of basing orientation on the cube, we could profitably adopt a four-axis system based on the tetrahedron. In all-space orientation, a tetrahedral system would by more efficient than the cube-based six-direction (90 degrees oriented) system of Descartes which we are using.

http://www.hasslberger.com/phy/phy_6.htm

Even the existence of dimensions is questionable. If there is some doubt whether we should talk about three or four or six dimensional vectors, depending on how you look at it, then what assures us that the concept of 90-degree oriented orthogonal dimensions is of any physical significance at all? Omnidirectionality, as Buckminster Fuller called it, would probably be a better concept.

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By: Eimhin https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/mushin-schilling-on-sharing-vs-the-cartesian-fallacy-of-separation/2011/05/23/comment-page-1#comment-484931 Tue, 24 May 2011 13:26:57 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=16136#comment-484931 Hmmm… its one that always confused me slightly; ‘Cogito ergo sum’. My latin is non-existent but I’m pretty sure there is no subject implied, or rather that at least whether or not a subject must be implied by this sentence is unclear. In a proper translation ‘Thinking therefore Being’ would have been more accurate but the times seemed to color that subjectively, plus there is the rest of Descartes work, especially developing the third axis, and location in three-dimensional space, this does contribute to the subjective reading, and yet for a man on the edge of the present it was also a field-note of collective intelligence and consciousness itself.

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