Comments on: More on Abundance vs. Scarcity as Mentalities https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/more-on-abundance-vs-scarcity-as-mentalities/2007/07/21 Researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:30:32 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.15 By: Michel Bauwens https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/more-on-abundance-vs-scarcity-as-mentalities/2007/07/21/comment-page-1#comment-106723 Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:30:32 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/more-on-abundance-vs-scarcity-as-mentalities/2007/07/22#comment-106723 Dear Donald:

My typology is inspired by Alan Page Fiske’s relational grammar, see http://p2pfoundation.net/Relational_Model_Typology_-_Fiske

I think the basic idea is fairly simple: when resources are abundant, as in the immaterial sphere where the cost of reproducing information is marginal, you do not care that your gifts are returned in any direct fashion; hence you can voluntarily contribute to a commons, and benefit from its wealth without anyone in particular returning that value directly; however, when you are dealing with limited resources, that cost you money to reproduce, it is necessary to have reciprocity, either through the market exchange of equivalent value, or throught the symmetry of the gift economy. If you give all your money away, without guarantee of a return, you risk not being able to eat. But if you give your musical or software creation away, all benefit from your gift.

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By: donald ponder https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/more-on-abundance-vs-scarcity-as-mentalities/2007/07/21/comment-page-1#comment-106385 Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:01:47 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/more-on-abundance-vs-scarcity-as-mentalities/2007/07/22#comment-106385 dear michel, though i don’t understand ‘non-reciprocal peer to peer’or’gift economies based on symmetry of relationships'(i’ll have to get up on P2P tech-geek jargon!) i completely agree w/ the general meaning & tenor of your resonse FILLED AS IT IS WITH LOVE. donald

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By: Michel Bauwens https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/more-on-abundance-vs-scarcity-as-mentalities/2007/07/21/comment-page-1#comment-100812 Sun, 29 Jul 2007 02:18:04 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/more-on-abundance-vs-scarcity-as-mentalities/2007/07/22#comment-100812 Dear Donald:

I think what matters is the appropriateness of abundance thinking. In the immaterial world of marginal reproduction costs, abundance applies ‘naturally’ and we can have a system of production, i.e. non-reciprocal peer production, that expresses that. In the world of limited physical resources, i.e. scarcity, we have to recognize limits, but I would suggest replacing the culture of fear, by a culture of sufficiency, and a recognition of ‘together we have everything’. In the world of scarcity and sufficiency, we need peer-informed modes (instead of pure non-reciprocal peer to peer) based on exchange (market)or reciprociy (gift economies based on symmetry of relationships).

Where a certain kind of new age thinking can become pathological, is when it applies abundance to the limited world of material resources.

Michel

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By: donald ponder https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/more-on-abundance-vs-scarcity-as-mentalities/2007/07/21/comment-page-1#comment-100506 Fri, 27 Jul 2007 23:08:48 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/more-on-abundance-vs-scarcity-as-mentalities/2007/07/22#comment-100506 please explain re: abundance mentality how this differs from new age capitalist magical thinking a la ‘the secret’. for instance w/scarce resources like oil and suv drivers who might feel abundance mentality gives them total permission to be unembarassedly hogging the relatively ‘scarce supply’. i do finish all the food on my plate by the way (& noticing food prices going way up). i’ve always noticed middle & UPPER midddle class people are usually much more nonchalant about these things! is this a philosophical justification for the haves?are zen monks eating their bit of rice,pickled vegetables, & twig tea(to clean bowl) victims of scarcity mentality? & how about future people not being more than 5’4″ tall so they won’t consume more than their share of all resources (as suggested some years ago by enviromentalists). i might be taking this all wrong.& what was ken wilber’s 2%? i thought it referred to 2nd tier population %, or is abundance mentality one of their hallmarks. i’m all for win/win so i want to get on board with you, LOVE dondon

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