Comments on: Kevin Kelly’s Information Mysticism https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/kevin-kellys-information-mysticism/2009/09/27 Researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices Wed, 03 Feb 2010 19:41:49 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.15 By: Ron Krumpos https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/kevin-kellys-information-mysticism/2009/09/27/comment-page-1#comment-421715 Wed, 03 Feb 2010 19:41:49 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=5091#comment-421715 Oxford’s American Dictionary defines extropy as: “the pseudoscientific principle that life will expand indefinitely and in an orderly, progressive way throughout the entire universe by the means of human intelligence and technology.”

Overlooking their denigrating term “pseudoscientific” (a term which most people might incorrectly apply to theories of dark matter and dark energy), some mystical traditions and many contemporary mystics agree that life will expand as is defined, but not be the means of human intelligence and technology. The latter are far to limited to have much impact on universal life itself.

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By: Sepp Hasslberger https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/kevin-kellys-information-mysticism/2009/09/27/comment-page-1#comment-418524 Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:57:13 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=5091#comment-418524 What Kevin Kelly calls extropy has also been called other names before.

Negentropy (negative entropy) comes to mind and syntropy, a term coined by Albert Szent-Gyorgyi and later expanded upon by Buckminster Fuller.

http://www.syntropic.com/syntropics.htm

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By: Matrix Point https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/kevin-kellys-information-mysticism/2009/09/27/comment-page-1#comment-418489 Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:15:18 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=5091#comment-418489 Michel,

Although my comment will probably disappear as it did before, I feel compelled to make the same comment that I did the last time you praised Kelly’s work. Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but in my opinion, based on the little of his writing I have read, his style is to rehash the work of others (which might be worthwhile if he had really studied information and complexity theory). I see nothing new in anything he wrote. His gimmick seems to be to use an unfamiliar term “extropy” as if it represented a profound new insight. It just means the opposite of entropy, and there already is a term for that: “negentropy”.

This line of inquiry is filled with very profound issues ripe for inquiry, but Kelly, at best, skirts them. He seems to be locked into linear-time thinking, and so is severely handicapped in that regard. I daresay that his understanding of mysticism is impaired as well, if he equates the “immaterial source” spoken of by mystics to “information, computation and extropy”. In my mind, that is comparable to suggesting that God is an old man with a long beard wearing a white robe.

To be clear, my reaction is not to Kelly’s work, but to your promotion of it as “great”.

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By: Sepp https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/kevin-kellys-information-mysticism/2009/09/27/comment-page-1#comment-418485 Mon, 28 Sep 2009 07:48:31 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=5091#comment-418485 While Kevin Kelly analyzes matter from the standpoint of information processing, Don Hotson approaches the same question from the angle of physics, and the underlying intelligence that seems to guide quantum interactions.

In his three-part article “Dirac’s equation and the Sea of Negative Energy” Hotson traces the basis of physical existence to an underlying reality or a “Big Bose Einstein Condensate” that is sensitive to thought and that forms the basis for the computational interactions and controls of the material world’s destiny described by Kelly.

For those interested in the physical side of things, Hotson’s first two articles were published in 2002 in Infinite Energy magazine and can be found on the net in PDF format:

http://blog.hasslberger.com/Diracs_Equation_Hotson_Part1.pdf

http://blog.hasslberger.com/Diracs_Equation_Hotson_Part2.pdf

Part III is in the current issue of Infinite Energy and I have not found the text anywhere else. Bill Zebuhr, the technical editor for the magazine, comments on it here:

http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue86/hotson.html

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By: Ryan Lanham https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/kevin-kellys-information-mysticism/2009/09/27/comment-page-1#comment-418468 Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:06:11 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=5091#comment-418468 Interesting. Entropy is measurable as a state of energy. Is extropy the equiv of not-entropy…or is it measurable in its own right?

Ryan

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