Comments on: Isabelle Stengers on on user movements and systems of horizontal apprenticeship https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/isabelle-stengers-on-on-user-movements-and-systems-of-horizontal-apprenticeship/ Researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:16:34 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.17 By: Alain Ambrosi https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/isabelle-stengers-on-on-user-movements-and-systems-of-horizontal-apprenticeship/comment-page-1/#comment-492617 Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:16:34 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=25334#comment-492617 Interesting enough to read Isabelle Stengers using the term of “user” in English .
In that specific case of defining the different notions/degrees of uses the french language is (for once) more precise than english since it différentiates “usager” from “utilisateur”.
In the common sense in french “usager” is a regular user (utilisateur) of a public service . Les usagers du transport en commun = the public transport users.
But Stengers in her book “Au temps des catastrophes…” has a more precise définition of “usager “. For her (and I put it in my words) an “usager ” is an autonomous and responsible user. In other words an usager is a user who has a capacité for initiative in the public sperme. This définition leads us to différentiante the different degrees of autonomy of the user from the bénéficiaire (bénéficiay) to the client (client) to the usager” That is a very important difference when we talk for example about ” social innovation ” and “user driven innovation ”
All the best
Alain Ambrosi

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By: Andre Ling https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/isabelle-stengers-on-on-user-movements-and-systems-of-horizontal-apprenticeship/comment-page-1/#comment-492616 Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:47:36 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=25334#comment-492616 Hi there, thanks Michel for posting this.

I thought I would just share a paragraph (p.20) from her second book Au temps des catastrophes that I mentioned above:

“If we are in suspense (about how to inherit from past struggles against capitalism), some are already engaged in experiments that seek to make exist, in the here and now, the possibility of a future that is not barbaric – those who have decided to desert, to flee this filthy economic war, but who, “in fleeing, search for a weapon,” as Gilles Deleze used to say. And to search, here, first of all means to create, to create a life “after growth”, a life that explores connections with new powers to act, to feel, to imagine and to think. These people have already decided to modify their way of life, effectively but also politically: they do not act on the basis of guilt about their “ecological footprint”, but experiment with what it means to betray the role of reliable consumers that is assigned to us. Which is what it means to enter into battle against that which creates this assignment, and to learn concretely to reinvent modes of production and cooperation that escape the ‘necessity’ of growth and competition. It is to these people that this book is dedicated, and, more precisely, to the possibilities that they dare to try and make exist. It is not a matter, however, of making myself their spokesperson, to describe on their behalf what it is that they attempt. They are perfectly capable of speaking for themselves, since far from enacting “a return to the cave”, as some accuse them, they are experts in websites and networks. They don’t need me, but they do need others, like me, to work, with their own means, to make sense of what is happening to us.”

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