Comments on: Is the next phase networked individualism or cooperative commons? https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/is-the-next-phase-networked-individualism-or-cooperative-commons/2016/02/17 Researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices Sat, 27 Feb 2016 04:33:37 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.15 By: John Manoochehri https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/is-the-next-phase-networked-individualism-or-cooperative-commons/2016/02/17/comment-page-1#comment-1554227 Sat, 27 Feb 2016 04:33:37 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=53907#comment-1554227 This type of writing and ‘thought’ is tremendously inspiring. Because it is so egregiously shit.

It inspires me to come out and say that there is a great future for serious thought – scientific and entrepreneurial, both – and action – creative, social, and more – that is almost /anything/ but this.

The pitiful straw-man dichotomies presented here, the dog-whistle name-checks of postmodernists, the utter lack of clarity or self-critique of alternative arguments, and their pseudo-intellectualism, [“(integral) socialism” – don’t forget the epic (parenthesis)] denoting deep thought – and the lack of an actual argument whereby the conclusion is drawn from the argument, rather than supplied ex machina after a few convenient negative ruminations: all these are the hallmarks of, well, shit ‘thought’, (ropey) academia, call it what you will (or won’t).

I nearly commented / vomited on this author before, after the hideously glib ‘author map’ of the ‘collectivist’ post-postmodernity, but just couldn’t be roused to bother. But now, this is another chance.

What’s making me annoyed here is /not/ that someone is writing bombastic bollocks on the internetz. Plus ca change. No, it’s that this is sufficiently misleading to deflect, and ultimately deflate, the enthusiasm for alternatives to the (decidedly not ‘post’-anything) capitalistic and economistic frameworks of thought, association, aspiration and action by which modern society is self-toxifying and self-asphyxiating.

That’s appalling. This is snakeoil, this is false medicine, this is a toolset that DOES NOT WORK – and therefore is lethal.

Don’t spend your hard-won liberated consciousness on this horseshit. Go and work out what comes after an accumulation-based society for yourself. You will find only the most rudimentary clues here – legitimate enthusiasm, sure, but soon after that, appallingly vain and stupid commentary.

If you want a starting point, out of countless possible ones, that you will NOT find here: go and study and come up with better than ideas than e.g. Dunbar’s number, and the theory of optimal association; or system theory and why hierarchy is sometimes optimal or sometimes not; or MIOT-PIOT attempts to reform economics; or why parecon is impossible with computers, but maybe just maybe possible with it; or go and study actually how the blockchain works – it’s stunningly elegant in Satoshi’s own words – rather than the bullshit surrounding it. Do anything: just stop reading the appalling shit on this website. Thanks.

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By: Nicolas Stampf https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/is-the-next-phase-networked-individualism-or-cooperative-commons/2016/02/17/comment-page-1#comment-1550442 Wed, 17 Feb 2016 07:18:54 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=53907#comment-1550442 Great article.

So bitcoin is the epitome of postmodernism, as would be Uber or AirBnB?

Given all the people I see trying to create new crypto currencies based on debt/lack of abundance, I tend to agree.

Yet there are already glimpses of that next true p2p level already sprouting: ask the commons movements of course or just people doing their share in truly helping others (the part of the hummingbird as Pierre Rahbi would put it). Incredible Edible goes for me in that direction. If only we would add agroecology on top of it and we would have true abundance with a sort of universal revenue in the form of vegetables!

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