Comments on: Innovation will flow more freely in a world where goods flow more slowly https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/innovation-will-flow-more-freely-in-a-world-where-goods-flow-more-slowly/2008/08/17 Researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:49:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.15 By: Michel Bauwens https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/innovation-will-flow-more-freely-in-a-world-where-goods-flow-more-slowly/2008/08/17/comment-page-1#comment-293830 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:49:00 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=1749#comment-293830 Hi Gordon,

I think you have completely misread Alex’s point.

He explicitely does NOT link a connected humanity to globalization.

Rather, a particular type of neoliberal globalization, 1) which is materially unsustainable 2) increases inequality both within and between nations, is what is problematic. Does it make sense to ship goods and parts several times across the globe, and is it inefficient and sustainable outside a context of cheap energy and cheap labour?

On the other hand, there is another kind of spiritual and intellectual globalization, which Alex favours.

Expensive energy and raw material, true costing of ecological costs, and the use of labour with increasing rights and power, coupled with cheap international communication and global coordination, and cheaper productive machinery, point to a different solution: an interconnected humanity of open design communities, freely sharing innovations; coupled with production closer to home.

This is not born out of any hatred of the foreigner, but on the contrary, on increased cooperation with the foreigner.

Michel

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By: Gordon Rae https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/innovation-will-flow-more-freely-in-a-world-where-goods-flow-more-slowly/2008/08/17/comment-page-1#comment-293756 Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:33:32 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=1749#comment-293756 I was more interested in Alex’s opening statement: “For the last three decades, it’s been more or less assumed that globalization was a force that moved in only one direction – towards ever-greater integration.”

Globalization, apparently, is opposed by people who are opposed to integration. They affirm whatever is local, they distrust what is far away. Alex explicitly associates a global, connected humanity with cheap labor in foreign countries. He talks about manufacturers worrying about diversity, and frames it as a risk, which is best solved by preferring whatever is ‘close to home’.

He identifies foreign countries with political corruption, and transparency (which is something I personally value) with causing enormous damage. And then he starts talking about vulnerability to extreme acts of terror.

I think this article exposes some potentially serious problems in the discourse about a P2P society. I don’t see how innovation and culture can flow more freely in a world where people are encouraged to feel that level of hatred and distrust towards ourpeers.

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