Comments on: How to craft a collaborative economy for the 99% https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-to-craft-a-collaborative-economy-for-the-99/2014/10/22 Researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:04:22 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.15 By: Matthew Slater https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-to-craft-a-collaborative-economy-for-the-99/2014/10/22/comment-page-1#comment-946615 Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:04:22 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=45656#comment-946615 Michel the way you describe it now, it is much more like permacredits

]]> By: Michel Bauwens https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-to-craft-a-collaborative-economy-for-the-99/2014/10/22/comment-page-1#comment-946516 Tue, 28 Oct 2014 08:37:40 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=45656#comment-946516 yes, the fair use economy report calculates all shared knowledge, not just GPL driven, and GPL is but one means to create a open knowledge economy; a particular problem is that such an economy, through its effiency, drives out value from its own economic sector, but makes resources available for other activites; by destroying rental income, it frees that investment. I’ve read in the past that $1m of free software replaced 64m of proprietary software.

The faircoin will be exclusively used as an investment currency for fair and open coops and therefore will exclude speculative activity.

]]> By: David Week https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-to-craft-a-collaborative-economy-for-the-99/2014/10/22/comment-page-1#comment-942948 Sun, 26 Oct 2014 03:40:51 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=45656#comment-942948 “The most famous hack was of course the hack that created the open source economy itself, and which has now reached, according to the Fair Use economy report, one-sixth of GDP in the U.S. alone. This hack, by Richard Stallman and others, took the form of licenses that used the very enclosures of knowledge facilitated by Intellectual Property legislation, to free knowledge, code and design. Through the General Public License, massive commons of shared knowledge was created, creating huge economic streams around it.”

The Fair Use economy report has nothing to do with the GPL, which is not even mentioned in the report. The Fair Use report talks about industries dependent on fair use provisions of the US copyright act which was passed in 1976. The GPL wasn’t invented until 1989. Fair use pre-existed GPL, and underlies many uses (discussed in the paper) which do not make use of GPL.

What percentage of the economy is actually attributable to the GPL and it’s offspring? According to this report, the total value-add of the open-source software to the European economy is 116bn euro. http://carlodaffara.conecta.it/the-economic-value-of-open-source-software/
This includes efficiencies, so is calculated on a broader basis of value than the GDP which only counts transactions.

The total GDP of the EU economy is 13070bn euro.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_European_Union

Dividing one by the other is 1/112th. There may be some non-software uses of the GPL. At the same time, Daffara’s valuation of the economic contribution of open-source is more generous than the valuation method used in calculating the GDP.

I personally think it unlikely that the open-source economy is therefore even 1% of the total economy.

]]> By: Matthew Slater https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-to-craft-a-collaborative-economy-for-the-99/2014/10/22/comment-page-1#comment-937887 Wed, 22 Oct 2014 16:43:37 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=45656#comment-937887 >On the basis of the increasing market value of Faircoin, a commons-supporting capital currency is created.
This sounds like Faircoin hopes to increase its value through speculation more than through puttings valuable goods and services in the marketplace. This is how bitcoin went from 0 to $1200 and back to umm $400. The value of the currency should reflect the goods and services available and the velocity otherwise people can get hurt.

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