Comments on: Hilary Wainwright’s challenges to P2P Theory https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/hilary-wainwrights-challenges-to-p2p-theory/2013/02/07 Researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices Sat, 09 Feb 2013 06:05:50 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.15 By: Michel Bauwens https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/hilary-wainwrights-challenges-to-p2p-theory/2013/02/07/comment-page-1#comment-508511 Sat, 09 Feb 2013 06:05:50 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=29399#comment-508511 In reply to Mike Riddell.

Thanks for your perspective. On my side, I feel practice informs theory (20k entries on actual practices), theory informs practice (inspiring more action), and most importantly, theory is practice (peer producing knowledge about peer production is also practice, whether it’s librarianship, or philosophy).

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By: Mike Riddell https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/hilary-wainwrights-challenges-to-p2p-theory/2013/02/07/comment-page-1#comment-508387 Fri, 08 Feb 2013 16:22:32 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=29399#comment-508387 Some comments if i may on the above article.

Bauwens is a bit of a genius at being able to consistently articulate the opportunity for P2P. It does need to go beyond theory though – we’ve all had enough socio-economic and political theory. Or at least i have!

Robin Murray is a genius too. I’ve read his work on the Co-op in the Age of Google. Terrific understanding of P2P and how it might work in the co-op movement.

The main commons, for me, is the personal information commons. There is so much value in personal data that corporations will do whatever they can to get it off you, except pay for it. That will change with a cooperative business that provides its members with a personal data store and identity assurance service (as well as a concierge type service as well).

I’m not sure unions have it in themselves to co-operate. They’re institutional hierarchies from another era but they’re riven with politics and the people at the top won’t want to share what they’ve got. They’re not very P2P in other words.

Q: “what are the institutional, including financial, conditions for nurturing and realising the creativity of each for the benefit of all?”

The answer to this i suggest is Anarcho-syndicalism, which according to wiki, is “a branch of anarchism which views revolutionary industrial unionism or syndicalism as an appropriate vehicle for subjugated classes in capitalist society to regain control over the course of their own destiny.”

Keep up the good work but let’s not forget the importance of practice. Theory can only take us so far.

Best wishes from Wigan

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By: Kevin Carson https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/hilary-wainwrights-challenges-to-p2p-theory/2013/02/07/comment-page-1#comment-508076 Thu, 07 Feb 2013 17:39:23 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=29399#comment-508076 I would respond that the most intelligent corporations engaged in enclosing p2p as a source of rents — i.e. pursuing the “cognitive” or “progressive” capitalism model of Buffett — depend heavily on state-enforced monopolies like copyright that are becoming much harder and more expensive to enforce.

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