Comments on: Going beyond the nation-state through humanistic globalization https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/going-beyond-the-nation-state-through-humanistic-globalization/ Researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices Tue, 06 Sep 2011 13:38:28 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.16 By: PG https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/going-beyond-the-nation-state-through-humanistic-globalization/comment-page-1/#comment-486009 Tue, 06 Sep 2011 13:38:28 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=19029#comment-486009 Nations engender states and states condition the evolution of nations. Causality becomes circular, yet the root bio reality is there. I’m simply warning that it is there, not unlikely people who warn that there are physical restrictions to economic aims, so give me a try.

In a population closed wrt mating, genetic variety among individuals diminishes along time as the population adapts to environmental conditions. At the same time, its genetic content drifts wrt to other populations. Populations are not fully closed wrt to mating, therefore inter populations mating happens, although at a much lower rate than intra population mating. This state of affairs is very advantageous for the species as a whole – the set of all populations. Each population can be seen as a “probe” that explores a part of the genetic evolutionary space by genetic drift. Inter-population mating assures that “good genetic discoveries” of a population are spread through the species. Evolutionary potential and resilience are maintained as genetic diversity is in a sense maximized. That would not be the case if the species would be reduced to one only mating population with the relative restriction on genetic diversity.

Now, I did not intend to say that there are “nation’s genes”. I do intend to say that there are homogeneities in the variation of genes along individuals; that these homogeneities and their interplay are at the root of the phenomenon that we call “nations”; that both are crucial to human evolution in the long term as far as we know. And that they should not be ignored or dismissed as something old-fashioned to be crushed by economic globalization. And if they are, the results are not good, as with a more general concept of nation one can see in the EMU.

I’m not saying that states or nation-states are the best and terminal stage of socio-political evolution. States are “double-swords” for nations. Nor I’m saying that humanistic globalization is a bad thing. What I’m saying is humanistic globalization must depart from the recognizance of the reality of nations as interlinked genetic, social, cultural aggregates rather than reinforce the neoliberal idea of “national barriers” as obstacles to progressive evolution. Maybe one can generalize the peer to peer concept to nations: the species as a peer to peer relational space of nations.

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By: Michel Bauwens https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/going-beyond-the-nation-state-through-humanistic-globalization/comment-page-1/#comment-486006 Tue, 06 Sep 2011 03:20:13 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=19029#comment-486006 In reply to PG.

so, when the different tribes become the Iroquois Federation after the intervention of the “Peacemaker”, that’s a biological event, and somehome the ‘nation genes’ have awakened through a political event? Sorry, this is really gross reductionism … Yes, states and nations are different, and nations can exist without a state, but the state form is equally very old and nations are equally a historical development, strongly related to the state form in any case. Nations are a historical, social and political phenomenom (but of course rooted in the biological life of our species). If you know of any discovery of ‘nation genes’, I’d really be surprised.

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By: PG https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/going-beyond-the-nation-state-through-humanistic-globalization/comment-page-1/#comment-486002 Mon, 05 Sep 2011 09:32:57 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=19029#comment-486002 Let us not confuse nations with states. A state is a political construct. A nation (Latin natio, to be born) is a biological fact. Humans are multi-cellulars, therefore their reproduction must be sexuated. Sexuated reproduction is the basis of all social behavior in animals, in the case of humans strongly reinforced by the need to raise infants during many years.

Animals and humans spread over a territory. The probability of a woman mating a given man first depends on distance between them. It follows that reproduction condensates in “islands” of beings, as the probability of a given person having both parents from the same “island” is (much) greater than from different “islands”.

Each “island” or “quasi-island” is a nation. Carl Sagan makes a beautiful description of the phenomenon at early times in Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors.

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By: Michel Bauwens https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/going-beyond-the-nation-state-through-humanistic-globalization/comment-page-1/#comment-486000 Mon, 05 Sep 2011 05:35:53 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=19029#comment-486000 In reply to PG.

wow … strange that a biological construct did not exist until so late in human history …

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By: PG https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/going-beyond-the-nation-state-through-humanistic-globalization/comment-page-1/#comment-485993 Sat, 03 Sep 2011 21:41:14 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=19029#comment-485993 Nations are biological facts, not political constructs. To pretend that humans will not organize as nations is to pretend that a way of reproduction without genes will be put at use 😉

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