Comments on: Globalization vs. localism: an assessment https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/globalization-vs-localism-an-assessment/2009/04/13 Researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices Mon, 13 Oct 2014 12:40:28 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.15 By: Michel Bauwens https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/globalization-vs-localism-an-assessment/2009/04/13/comment-page-1#comment-408662 Fri, 17 Apr 2009 04:51:16 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=2664#comment-408662 Kevin Carson, via email:

I think part of the hesitancy to label it “totalitarian,” on the part
of many, is an equation of totalitarianism to mass movements like
fascism in the mid-20th century: uniformed political parties marching
in the street, giant posters, torchlight rallies, shouted slogans,
bullyboys disrupting meetings, etc.

But totalitarianism can take a bureaucratic form, characterized by
Weberian rationality. Amaury de Riencourt contrasted the caesarism of
the post-Augustan period with the tyranny of the Greek city-states and
the personalized populism of the Gracchi of the late Roman Republic.
He applied the contrast, by way of analogy, to the caesarism of the
American welfare-warfare state vs. the classical tyrannies of the Axis
powers.

It’s perfectly compatible with certain forms of “democracy,” like what
Noam Chomsky calls “spectator democracy” and the neocons call “rule of
law.” I believe Bertram Gross coined the term “friendly fascism.”

In this sense, America has been evolving toward this sort of
totalitarianism since the 1930s (when FDR adopted much of the
corporatism of Hitler and Mussolini, without the slogans and marching
mobs), or the 1940s (the beginning of the perpetual warfare/garrison
state and the perpetual militarized economy). Since then it’s
ratcheted upwards: the McCarran INternal Security Act, a whole slough
of executive orders proviidng the legal and administrative framework
for martial law, GARDEN PLOT and CABLE SPLICER, the militarization of
local police forces via SWAT teams, the creeping authoritarianism of
the Drug War and the GWOT, Clinton’s 1996 “counter-terror”
legislation, USA PATRIOT, etc. The only respite was the
post-Watergate Church Committee, and Obama’s making it clear he has no
such fundamental rollback on his personal agenda.


Kevin Carson
Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org
Mutualist Blog: Free Market Anti-Capitalism
http://mutualist.blogspot.com

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By: Michel Bauwens https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/globalization-vs-localism-an-assessment/2009/04/13/comment-page-1#comment-405541 Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:24:53 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=2664#comment-405541 Hi Andy,

sorry, but no time to engage in depth for now.

In short: China is a former totalitarian state, now authoritarian, in which many alternatives are possible, as long as you not directly challenge the rule of the party. In Britain and the USA, despite the neoliberal consensus, now broken, there are many different systems of thought both within and without the elite, and this despite obvious authoritarian/surveillance/national security inclined tendencies.

Any new neo-totalitarianism would be predicated on a severe social defeat of popular and democratic forces, that has not happened in any way.

When, if, it really arrives, we will be out of a conceptual toolbox, for having called its former very soft ‘possible predecessor trends’, with that same brush, and we will look back at it as a paradise to return to ..

Michel

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By: Michel Bauwens https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/globalization-vs-localism-an-assessment/2009/04/13/comment-page-1#comment-405540 Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:19:45 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=2664#comment-405540 Andy, via email:

I suspect you’d find plenty of Marxists who would quarrel with the claim that classical fascism was independent from finance capital. However, I don’t term today’s regimes fascist in the literal sense, I term them “neo-totalitarian” meaning they have many of the features of totalitarianism but in a new combination. The big difference from classical totalitarianisms is that neo-totalitarianism is closely tied up with capitalism as such… not so much with racialism and the petty-bourgeoisie, or with bureaucratic anti-capitalism… I see it converging however, with the Chinese model and the likes of Malaysia and Singapore.

However, I think current regimes attempt thought control through political uses of the media, education etc, and that they do attempt to “use the state in a radical/revolutionary way”, namely the reconstruction of subjectivities as conformist, “employable” etc. This is the difference between “Third Way” social control and classical neoliberalism. I think if you subtract the aspects of polyarchy, nominal independence of the media and formal rights protections, and bracket out the content of the ideology imposed, neo-totalitarianism is almost indistinguishable from classical totalitarianism (at least in its “weaker” form, in Brezhnev’s Russia or eastern Europe for example). Perhaps the mistake is made that totalitarianism is assumed to be something it isn’t… for instance that it could only possibly apply to things like high Stalinism or wartime Nazism, and not their successors and little brothers; and the false assumption that totalitarians actually sought to destroy ALL space of dissent (rather than to drastically narrow its expression) and that they succeeded in total thought control (which empirical research has shown was not achieved even in high Stalinism or wartime Nazism). I think the biggest resistance in recognising regimes like contemporary Britain as neo-totalitarian is that people balk at the idea that a totalitarian regime can also have de jure features of liberal democracy – yet the Nazis retained aspects of the architecture of Weimar institutions, and Stalin introduced the world’s most democratic constitution.

Key to totalitarianism is the attempt at total mobilisation of society within a state-controlled scheme (high-intensity passive revolution), with zero tolerance for difference, general closure of social space and a requirement of active participatory conformity (not simply an absence of active revolt). This aspect, which differentiates totalitarianism both from (even the most degenerated) liberal-democracies and from conservative authoritarianisms (based on patronage), is certainly present in regimes like Britain. To be included, one has to accept the mantras of “employability”, anti-“crime” fanaticism and so on. And everyday life is micro-regulated in very minute ways, greater if anything than historical totalitarianisms – cameras on every corner, DNA and fingerprint databases, card-access systems, constant state propaganda through “public information” posters, mobilisation of fear by the state PR machine through a pliant media, etc. The included are supposed to be totally mobilised in the regime – not only as providers of abstract labour-power but as self-motivated learners, possessers of “skills” (a kind of doublespeak, meaning to have a particular “attitude” and way of communicating, meaning to hold a particular conception of the world) which fit with neoliberal capitalism, reacting as “any decent person” would react to the climate of fear, avoiding any association with “extremism”, participating in mechanisms of regulation such as reporting “anti-social behaviour” and taking part in regulated forms of “community”, etc. And any deviance, however small, is instantly taken to be completely outside the field of legitimacy – not just a little bit naughty but absolutely abhorrent and needing to be stamped out with zero tolerance. So we get the “dissident phenomenon” similar to the “anti-Spain” in Francoism or the “dissidents” in eastern Europe – those who are not totally inside are very radically outside, and potentially at risk.

Even if you’ve a problem with the idea of Britain or America being totalitarian, surely the status of China leaves little to the imagination?

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By: Michel Bauwens https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/globalization-vs-localism-an-assessment/2009/04/13/comment-page-1#comment-405521 Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:47:07 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=2664#comment-405521 I do not have time to chip in substantially, still on the road until mid-April

– it seems likely that the financial class has taken over policy making even more, and wants to use state support to survive. However, I don’t think a return to the debt-driven money and US-China axis is even remotely possible; they are going to attempt a new system, but I’m assuming they do not know where to go themselves; the real danger is hollowing out of social state policy due to the excessive support of failing banks; social explosions, and other forces within capital will likely derail any continuation scenario

– the current form of globalization is not sustainable, so both national protectionism, and localisation will make a resurgence; as ryan indicates, there is nothing positive about this by itself, but alternative social forces could possibly turn this into a positive

– whatever one may see about the current national security state, it is not fascism in any remote sense, fascism was totalitarian and relied on total thought control and used the state in a radical/revolutionary way for aims that were not subservient to the financial class and classic establishment

– one form of capitalism died, but it may re-establish itself under a new form, say green capitalism with participation, or something much more ugly, in 7 to 15 years time; butmy contention is that if this long-cycle returns, it cannot in any way solve the deep structural problems (infinite growth in finite environment, increased hunger crises, resource depletion), leaving the issue of an alternative plainly on the table,

Michel

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By: Michel Bauwens https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/globalization-vs-localism-an-assessment/2009/04/13/comment-page-1#comment-405520 Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:46:36 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=2664#comment-405520 Ryan Lanham, via email:

You make a number of interesting points, Andy. Very provocative.

It seems to me that three issues drive the future of the world, some of which you address a lot, and some less so.

1. The diffusion of p2p technologies unfettered by institutionalized censorship.
2. The costs and feasibility of large-scale transportation-based living in developed and developing worlds.
3. The future of debt.

Under point 1 I would put the future of religious faith (which will naturally decline as people interact and gain access to information). I’d also put the question of institutionalization through education systems, which will also decline accordingly.

Under point 2 I’d put most aspects of climate change. How suburban the world becomes will depend on the feasibility of the private auto or similar. Moving freight globally also requires large air and sea fleets that cannot maintain speed without significant carbon expenditure (for the foreseeable future). Power consumption will be driven by transportation related economies and work one place, live another arrangements.

Under point 3, I’d put the prospect of long-term business institutions of large scale.

Architects have long said look at the skyline to determine a time’s values. Churches once ruled. Then the institutions of the state grabbed the sky. Then those of the service economy–eventually mostly banks and lawyers who task banks–took over. Now I see a future where the skyline will be filled with green apartments linked to mass transit nodes. I suppose that suggests a future with fewer institutions–at least in the brick and mortar sense–and more small-scale p2p type functions.

I agree with Andy’s point that skill wins, but I see little evidence that Asia isn’t advancing skills at a rate quite a bit faster than anyone else. My own experience with Chinese technologists suggest they are leaping generations every few years. Singapore is relentless–yes there are sweatshops, but the real growth is in technology–electronics, pharma, materials, even R&D. I look at the US and see it surrounded by Canada, Mexico, Cuba, the Caribbean, and South America. China is surrounding by Japan, Taiwan, Korea, Singapore, India, Indonesia, Vietnam, Russia… Sounds like a better neighborhood for innovation to me. Europe also has a good neighborhood.

I differ with Andy in seeing long-term stability to the current scenarios of nation strategy he underscores. I think these modes are sickly and weak. I’d say the same thing about the world Saskia Sassen has described (and keeps describing…) She strikes me as sort of an academic Faith Popcorn…one good idea played out over and over ad nauseum. Yes, cities are linked and, to a degree, autonomous, but so what? And where does that lead? And what does it mean? And why did it happen? The Marxian geographers had a big idea of core/periphery, but that doesn’t seem to hold much either. Everyone I talk to thinks the future is as much Africa as Asia. It all feels too macro and too falsifiable.

I’d argue that skills and R&D transfer are moving rapidly, IMO, from institutions to p2p. Points 2 & 3 above also facilitate this transformation. So the question I keep asking myself is, what forms of governance derive from rapid evolution toward high p2p reliance? What happens as BitTorrent destroys Blockbuster and the college library? What is a university if classes become less important? What is a company when, like Apple, the iPhone is designed and constructed across a range of global partners and designers? Who governs those things and by what rules?

I may be wrong but I think capitalism just died to a large extent in this bank bailout. The question now is how can people mobilize assets through p2p to deal with large scale actions (or small scale ones…) Picking up the pieces of capitalism is a Gone With the Wind sort of exercise in my view. Figuring out what’s next is what interests me. What’s next certainly isn’t some warmed over socialism from the 1930s any more than it is the world as Scandanavia.

Ryan Lanham

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