Comments on: From Peak Oil to Peak Hierarchy https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/from-peak-oil-to-peak-hierarchy/2008/07/27 Researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:02:47 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.15 By: P2P Foundation » Blog Archive » Can large corporations make money with a commons? https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/from-peak-oil-to-peak-hierarchy/2008/07/27/comment-page-1#comment-414137 Sun, 03 May 2009 14:36:54 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=1711#comment-414137 […] about the robustness of small business networks over large corporates (the business version of the Peak Hierarchy meme, which, I recently found out, is also supported by Umair Haque). The author’s thesis is […]

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By: P2P Foundation » Blog Archive » David Bollier on the financial meltdown as sign of Peak Hierarchy https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/from-peak-oil-to-peak-hierarchy/2008/07/27/comment-page-1#comment-346627 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 02:31:19 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=1711#comment-346627 […] Bollier engages with our Peak Hierarchy hypothesis in his remarkable On the Commons […]

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By: The Park Paradigm » Peak Hierarchy https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/from-peak-oil-to-peak-hierarchy/2008/07/27/comment-page-1#comment-292291 Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:10:22 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=1711#comment-292291 […] now however, I have been without an elegant and robust metaphor for this thesis. But when I read Michel Bauwens’ essay (thanks to a pointer from Gordon Cook) comparing the current fundamental, secular changes in […]

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By: Michel Bauwens https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/from-peak-oil-to-peak-hierarchy/2008/07/27/comment-page-1#comment-283248 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 12:58:43 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=1711#comment-283248 Yes, done, I’m aware and have read his essays and book. I would argue that markets are decentralized, dominated by large corporations, and internally they are hierarchies and markets exclude those without monetary means; peer to peer is distributed on the individual level. This is why I distinguish, in the first statement, the Diagonal from the Horizontal.

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By: Don Marti https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/from-peak-oil-to-peak-hierarchy/2008/07/27/comment-page-1#comment-283022 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 05:30:54 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=1711#comment-283022 Have you read Coase’s Penguin, or Linux and the Nature of the Firm by Yochai Benkler? Hierarchy already has one competitor, the market. Now we’re getting a third mode of organizing productive work, peer production.

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By: Michel Bauwens https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/from-peak-oil-to-peak-hierarchy/2008/07/27/comment-page-1#comment-282510 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:44:26 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=1711#comment-282510 These are very beautiful principles, Arle, feel free to contribute to our open spirituality discussion at http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=2003008%3ATopic%3A5308

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By: Cook’s Collaborative Edge » Blog Archive » Rome to Feudalism - lessons in coming economic transformation? https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/from-peak-oil-to-peak-hierarchy/2008/07/27/comment-page-1#comment-282419 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:05:25 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=1711#comment-282419 […] I think there is an important issue here: do distributed modes really outperform the centralized/decentralized modalities. If this is indeed so, then I suggest that we introduce a new concept: Peak Hierarchy, which I’m using as an analogy with peak oil, […]

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By: Are Karlsen https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/from-peak-oil-to-peak-hierarchy/2008/07/27/comment-page-1#comment-282365 Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:02:29 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=1711#comment-282365 Michel,

We are taking inspiration from the first biblical churches, which was non-hierarchical house churches. Traditional corporate churches have as you know hierarchical structures. But there has been an ideological stream through the whole church history about non-hierarchical ideas.

We have no traditional leadership, but have defined all functions as servants, like it is in the Bible. Servants in the true meaning of the word. Mutual submission has replaced the hierarchy.

Our church is no institution, is no juridical subject, has no defined structure and own no property. All gatherings is taking place in the homes of the participants. The churches may therefore just be that big, before they has to split up.

My values for the christian community is this:

Preach the gospel to the poor – do not entertain the rich
Mutual submission – not hierarchy
Servanthood – not leadership
Body – not institution
Serving gifts – not offices
Dialogue – not monologue
Carry the weak ones – not idolize the stars
Compassion – not moralism
Fellowship – not rhetorics
Mutual testing – not muting
Relations – not organisation
Transperancy – not secretiveness
Tolerance – not conformity
House church – not corporate church

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By: Michel Bauwens https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/from-peak-oil-to-peak-hierarchy/2008/07/27/comment-page-1#comment-282031 Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:46:22 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=1711#comment-282031 Hi Vinay, Arle,

Arle, feel free to tell us more about your type of non-hierarchical church, this is right in our alley here (see http://del.icio.us/P2P-Spirituality for some link on open anabaptism and the emergent church).

The closure of culture by the christians is well described by the book, The Closing of the Western Mind. Nevertheless, I’m reading a book La Societe Feodale, a very current historical overview, where it is written that the around the year 1,000 (I would have to check the reference and the date to make sure, it could also be after the first medieval renaissance, i.e. around 1300), life expectancy was already double that of roman times, so not a bad achievement for a seemingly obscurantist age.

But, in the end, it is not about having a romantic view of either rome or what came after, rather, I think what we’re after is a historical analogy of the change dynamics, that lead to one system being replaced by another. And like Tony Negri mentions repeatedly in Empire, the strategies of the Christians are interesting in that regard,

Michel

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By: Jaap van Till https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/from-peak-oil-to-peak-hierarchy/2008/07/27/comment-page-1#comment-281913 Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:21:13 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=1711#comment-281913 One of the best and most successful examples of Horizontal cooperation is Nabuur.com . I recommend it: it works,
bridging distances and boundaries !!

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