Comments on: Food is not a commons: Tiberius Brastaviceanu responds to Jose Luis Vivero Pol https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/food-is-not-a-commons-tiberius-brastaviceanu-responds-to-jose-luis-vivero-pol/2015/01/14 Researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices Thu, 15 Jan 2015 19:42:06 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.15 By: Bob Haugen https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/food-is-not-a-commons-tiberius-brastaviceanu-responds-to-jose-luis-vivero-pol/2015/01/14/comment-page-1#comment-1049178 Thu, 15 Jan 2015 19:42:06 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=48017#comment-1049178 If we ignore the communism strawman for a bit (thanks for dealing with that, Øyvind), I think we need to seriously consider the rest of Tibi’s argument. It’s true that food, like any other material production of rival goods, has very different characteristics than open source software (for example), but then even software requires some scarce resources.

How could we get to “to each according to need” for food? For one thing, the means of production of food would need to be commonly provided. And likewise a lot of the work.

The patterns of food production for some crops have already changed from the individual private farmer: for example, Community Supported Agriculture, often including shared work on the farm in addition to paying up front for a share of the crop. Or permaculture, where typically many people work on a site over a long time and some of them never see the fruits and nuts mature. Or a common fishery. Or urban community gardens.

One pattern that I don’t think works very well anymore is industrial agriculture, which was one of the places the USSR went wrong (and where they were copying capitalist methods).

I do think good agriculture requires people who get to know a particular piece of land very well, so you can’t do that with solely transient work forces. But it’s also true that most of the food you eat was handled by many foodchain workers, some of whom can’t afford very much of the food. So the private farmer working alone is mostly a myth anyway.

I’m not laying out a programme here, just some directions where some degree of common-ism is already evolving in the production and consumption of food, which suggests to me that food can become more of a commons.

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By: Øyvind Holmstad https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/food-is-not-a-commons-tiberius-brastaviceanu-responds-to-jose-luis-vivero-pol/2015/01/14/comment-page-1#comment-1047399 Wed, 14 Jan 2015 10:07:49 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=48017#comment-1047399 It seems too that you are not able to distinguish communism from the centralized state socialism, which dominated the former USSR.

Communism means that the workers own the production means in a decentralized common network. The state will this way dissolve.

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