Comments on: Evo Morales on Climate Change https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/eva-morales-on-climate-change/2010/12/30 Researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices Thu, 06 Jan 2011 12:16:53 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.15 By: Michel Bauwens https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/eva-morales-on-climate-change/2010/12/30/comment-page-1#comment-459749 Fri, 31 Dec 2010 16:50:27 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=12631#comment-459749 In reply to Chris Watkins.

Hi Chris, have you seen any evidence anywhere of carbon markets actually working? After so many years of massively subsidizing the heaviest polluters, there has been no progress whatsoever. Should the survival of the planet depend on the same speculative mechanisms that gave us the 2008 meltdown. Alternatives are either straightforward carbon taxation, or commons-based cap and dividend schemes. I guess the Mother Earth ‘concept’ works best for those who still feel a spiritual connection to nature, as the native peoples of Latin America still mostly do, but for us secularists, who understand our complex interdependency with the biological matrix, it is still an appropriate metaphor for the rights of nature.

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By: Chris Watkins https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/eva-morales-on-climate-change/2010/12/30/comment-page-1#comment-459441 Thu, 30 Dec 2010 09:14:27 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=12631#comment-459441 Oops – want, not wasn’t. My phone’s swype keyboard keeps doing that…

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By: Chris Watkins https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/eva-morales-on-climate-change/2010/12/30/comment-page-1#comment-459436 Thu, 30 Dec 2010 08:53:41 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=12631#comment-459436 I’m guessing some might be put off by the talk of “the rights of Mother Earth” – I know I wonder what exactly he means. So I think that it’s worth pointing out that this translates to very practical benefits. By protecting the Earth which is most fundamental to our existence (its continuation and abundance) we’re protecting ourselves. “the rights of Mother Earth” makes sense to me less as a philosophical construct and more as a practical, protective conceit. (I mean in the John Donne sense of conceit, as a clear image or idea – can’t think of a plain English term.)

Re carbon markets, I’d need to see more of the context of the quote. I don’t know anything (except possibly research subsidies) which holds more promise for tackling climate change. But he may be right in the sense that we don’t wasn’t the agreements framed by groups with their own financial profit as their key goal.

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