Comments on: Ernesto Laclau and the Persistence of Panarchy https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/ernesto-laclau-and-the-persistence-of-panarchy/2007/02/14 Researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices Sat, 10 Dec 2016 18:33:52 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.15 By: Bob Haugen https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/ernesto-laclau-and-the-persistence-of-panarchy/2007/02/14/comment-page-1#comment-1578077 Sat, 10 Dec 2016 18:33:52 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/ernesto-laclau-and-the-persistence-of-panarchy/2007/02/14#comment-1578077 Hey Paul, very interesting essay, as usual.

And Michel, good comment.

I continue to think we will need bioregional governance if we are to evolve as humans (as opposed to devolving into warlord domains). Here is a prototype: http://www.crawfordstewardshipproject.org/
Some of what they do: http://www.crawfordstewardshipproject.org/CSP-Weekly-News.htm

If they evolve into a bioregional government, they will need some degree of hegemony, to stop ecocidal activities.

]]> By: Michel Bauwens https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/ernesto-laclau-and-the-persistence-of-panarchy/2007/02/14/comment-page-1#comment-31179 Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:56:23 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/ernesto-laclau-and-the-persistence-of-panarchy/2007/02/14#comment-31179 Hi Paul,

Interesting points, but just a few comments from my perspective.

– I agree that new movements in general are very diverse, and that we are no longer in a situation of simple binary hegemony and counter-hegemony

– At the same time, peer production and its governance, does not indeed create a state

However, there are 2 counter-arguments insufficiently taken into account in theory

– First of all, the state already exists, and has existed since the dawn of civilization; while potentially, the emergence and growth of peer governance will diminish the role of state forms, this can only be a very very gradual process, with no certainty of an end point towards an evolution of no-state. Hence, it is much more likely that the state will evolve, and that since, the continuing existence of an infinite-growth capitalism is a logical and physical impossibility, the state could change from an agent of corporations reflecting the balance of social forces, to an entity that is a reflection of civil society and acts as a meta-regulator towards the 3 modes of production.

– Second, the whole work of the P2P Foundation is based on the premise that there is in fact a unifying logic to the emerging informational movements around the 3 paradigms (open/free, participatory, commons), as well as with environmental strugges against pseudo-abundance in physical production. The logic is not necessarily revolutionary, but certainly anti-systemic.

But as I said, I see it operating as changing the state, rather than abolishing it or replacing it.

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