Did you?

your question, i think, is the most important question. What we have to do for independence in our development of our life environment?

Michel and Silke Helfrich think and say that we need the state as a partner state, as a cooperation partner. But we can see in Germany, what is going on. And we can see in Ecuador, what are the results of that.

I give here to links to very different writings about the same situation.

Dangerous practice of digital mass surveillance must be subject to independent checks and balances – Pillay
http://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/Media.aspx?IsMediaPage=true&LangID=E

Peer to Peer (P2P) Production as the Alternative to Capitalism – A New Communist Horizon
http://www.networkedlabour.net/2013/05/peer-to-peer-p2p-production-as-the-alternative-to-capitalism-a-new-communist-horizon/

Navi Pillay and Jakob Rigi act on the same themes on her different backgrounds and her different perspektives. State or people self organization. But this is a pre-step in our thinking and doing.

This means, that the first is that we disolve our own slavery system in our thinking. If we create our own perspectives and our ways for that, then we can cooperate with all people without to lost our orientation for our future.

Of course, the result is that we are self-responsible for our life and never we can go to any institution to ask for our life basics. We have to do self. But never alone.

Here come in the Comunas. The local life community. We break the primitive dualism Individual or state. As single persons we live in communities. This are the constitutional elements for our bigger social societies.

State never exist. It is a virtual construction. So, why we should follow any stupid production of thoughts of stupid persons? I don-t understand, why Michel and Franz Nahrada and many other follow this religion.

many greetings, willi
Bogota, Colombia

I wonder what can be done in order to prevent the powerful from abusing the minorities or even the majorities in a stateless society as Michel states. Many times the majorities are manipulated in order to run over people that oppose the powerful, whether these powerful are part of the state or not. Other times, the powerful use violence and bureaucracy to exert their power over the majorities. What can we do in a stateless or stateful society against these abuses?

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Betreff: Re: [P2P-F] an evaluation of the flok
Datum: Sun, 06 Jul 2014 11:53:45 -0500
Von: willi uebelherr
An: P2P Foundation mailing list

Dear Michel,

many thanks for your general answer. I will also use it to a more
general answer.

The answer to the question for our relation to the state construction,
always based on the roman constitutional law, follows immediately from
our perspectives. I think, therein, we agree.

After then, we check what is the state. And then we can decide.

Based on my personal principles:
1) all people are equivalent. It follows
a) all opeople have the equal rights
b) all our working have the same values
2) never we accept the private ownership of common resources
3) all decisions about the way of life are taken local

Based on my principles of development as a result of the principles of
the nature:
a) massivly decentral
b) massivly parallel
c) massivly redundant

Immediatly we come to the concept of the world society as a network of
local independent community. The P2P environment of local communities.
This, because we live always in local communities and we act as a part
of this communities. The stability of our lifebase is a direct function
of our local independent economy. And this rest always on our local
technical infrastructures.

The destination for me is, that the people in the local communities can
create and build most of that, what they need or what they think, that
they need. Also this is a local decision.

Because we know, that many task for that are more general, we follow the old principle: “global thinking, local doing”.

This means, that all our theoretical work we do together in an open and
free environment. Therefore, the communication system is so important.
But in his inner structure we use our general and fundamental
principles. The free access to the free communication for the free
access to our free knowledge and information exchange.

Knowledge is always worldheritage. It is always a common resource.

Now to the state construction.

In general it is a system from the elites for the elites against the
people, against the self-organisation of the local communities. In the
political systems we have two poles:
a) the representative systems
b) the democratic, local self-decision systems

In the area of the representative system we have a big garden of
different flowers. But in his core it is always the same. Incapacitation
and centralization.

The elites need this to organize her parasitic existence. And, because
it is not so easy, they need the violence apparatus and the bureaucratic instances. Always based on the incapacitation of the local people.

The private ownership of common resources is a necessary part of that.
And to legitimate and stabilize this they need the control of the law
system, based on the violence apparatus.

This is in short form my general view. And immediatly, we see, that
never we can operate together with any state system that follows a way
against our principles, agains the people.

States always are parasitic instances. They use but never they create or build. But in our perspective, we need the reduction of parasitic
instances and change to a overall creative and productive activities.
With that We can massively reduce the individual cost, the individual
effort.

Om the blog of Robert Steele we find the sentence in the head:
“the truth at any cost lowers all other cost”. Maybe, this is a more
free interpretation from me. But this is the core for distribution of
the activity for our life.

If all people are part of the basical activities in the areas for our
material existence then all people have enough time to study the laws of the nature to extent the reduction of the efforts for our material
life-basics.

Of course, we can first disolve all not necessary instances, the
parasitic instances. May be, this is the most effective part on our way. Likeany military and all infrastructure for that.

In the communication system we can see it very clear. All this parasitic instances we don’t need any more. All this stupid instances of “Internet Governance” are superfluos. And we can massivly reduce the volume of packet transports.

The same we will find in all spheres of our life.

many greetings, willi
now: Medellin, Colombia