Comments on: Economics 101 for #OccupyWallStreet https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/economics-101-for-occupywallstreet/2011/11/06 Researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices Mon, 07 Nov 2011 17:21:37 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.15 By: Todd S. https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/economics-101-for-occupywallstreet/2011/11/06/comment-page-1#comment-486687 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 17:21:37 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=20640#comment-486687 Couldn’t agree more with Julia. As Chris Hedges said not too long ago, FDR’s greatest achievement was actually saving capitalism. I find the calls for the state to create jobs particularly odious in that regard. What better way to perpetuate a system based on jobs than to corral people into such jobs created by… drumroll… the system itself? Demanding jobs does not help people recapture their lost agency. It does nothing to shift power from institutions to people. Quite the opposite, I’d say. I hope that no actual demands are forthcoming, but I’d much rather see a demand to abolish the impediments to making a living – things like licensing and patents – than demands to provide more jobs in service to them.

]]> By: PG https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/economics-101-for-occupywallstreet/2011/11/06/comment-page-1#comment-486685 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 11:36:45 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=20640#comment-486685 Problem is “public debts” do not exist for governments issuing fiat currencies. Within a fiat currency talking of “public debt” is similar to talking of epicycles within a heliocentric model of the solar system. And if they do not exist there is no point in “paying them”.

For a government issuing a fiat currency “public debt” is actually savings in the currency.

One must always ask: how is a currency (money) created? How is it destroyed?

On the other hand, the point on diminishing returns on capital is a crucial one and it may well explain the current burst of the “public debt” meme.

Conflating the two issues is not a good idea.

]]> By: Julia https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/economics-101-for-occupywallstreet/2011/11/06/comment-page-1#comment-486678 Sun, 06 Nov 2011 20:17:37 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=20640#comment-486678 Many thanks for this video. One of the things I’ve noticed with the OWS demonstrations is how they went from extremely radical (when I was there first day of demonstrations the people in attendance were overwhelmingly anarchists and radicals) to extremely reformist. Something that comes up is a Guaranteed National Income where the state makes sure everyone is financially secure. The problem with this is (aside from the fact that it keeps the capitalist system alive) has to do with the fact that the state just doesn’t have enough money to do this. We need much better alternatives to make sure everyone has a decent standard of living.

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