Reposted from the C-Realm podcast, KMO talks to author David Holmgren, co-originator (with Bill Mollison) of permaculture. We want to thank Michel Bauwens for originally contacting Holmgren. Watch for an upcoming trialogue between Bauwens, Holmgren and Josef Davies-Coates.

From the shownotes to the episode:

KMO welcomes permaculture co-originator David Holmgren to the C-Realm Podcast to discuss two of his essays: Money Vs Fossil Energy: the Battle for Control of the World and Crash on Demand: Welcome to the Brown Tech Future. David has been tracking the onset of climate change and peak oil for many years, but he says that in recent years, largely due to the work of Steve Keen and Nicole Foss, he has come to see financial systems as the fastest moving and most volatile element in emerging global crisis. He describes why he considers the Bush administration to have been guided by a certain energy realism lacking in too many social and climate activists. Finally, he describes why he thinks that multiple generations of mass affluence has left us saddled with a psycho-social debt that will be very difficult for us to discharge.