Comments on: Cory Doctorow. Makers https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/cory-doctorow-makers/2009/10/25 Researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices Tue, 14 Oct 2014 14:58:02 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.15 By: Kevin Carson https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/cory-doctorow-makers/2009/10/25/comment-page-1#comment-420079 Mon, 07 Dec 2009 20:07:23 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=5615#comment-420079 My response to Stephan Kinsella’s comment, and his comment in reply, can be found below my cross-post at MBlog:

http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2009/10/today-at-p2p-foundation-blog-review-of.html

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By: Stephan Kinsella https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/cory-doctorow-makers/2009/10/25/comment-page-1#comment-420020 Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:19:02 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=5615#comment-420020 So. I got this book on your recommendation, Kevin. Unfortunately, the very reliable Luke Burrage of SFBRP gives it a horrible review–and he usually strains to find the good things in sci-fi books. His review is here http://www.sfbrp.com/archives/126.

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By: Kevin Carson https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/cory-doctorow-makers/2009/10/25/comment-page-1#comment-419190 Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:59:24 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=5615#comment-419190 Thanks for the comments, all. John Robb’s picked it up at Global Guerrillas, BTW.
http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2009/10/journal-doctorows-makers.html

Ryan: From what I could see, the knowledge of Fabbing was spread mainly through informal apprenticeships and the internal growth of the Maker culture.

PM Lawrence: I don’t doubt there are all sorts of ways that licensing, health and safety regulations, etc., could be used to suppress or contain this. But on the plus side, in an era of network information culture there’s IMO a strong likelihood the state would have to fight a losing propaganda battle, with the Streisand Effect and all the rest of it coming into play. And the potential ugliness and divisiveness of the issue will reinforce other problems, like political turmoil in the state and the growing ability of minorities to block positive agendas by the majority. My hope is that the state will be too paralyzed to act decisively to suppress the new forms of production, that the latter will spread and diffuse themselves so rapidly as to catch older structures off-guard, and that partisans of the new economy will wage relentless propaganda war against potential attempts at suppression.

Orin: I think you’ll find that the “themepunks” part of the story winds up dovetailing with the fabbing part in all sorts of interesting ways, in Part Three. My discussion of the actual plot of Parts Two and Three was just a teaser, for space limitations. The stuff in Part Three involving DiaB and Sammy Page is probably right up your alley.

Andrew B. Watt: It could be that the prolonged crisis of mass-production industry (click the link above on “The Decline and Fall of Sloanism”), and more recent crises of Peak Oil and the state’s fiscal exhaustion, are the kind of event you’re looking for.

I noticed, BTW, that a couple of commenters under Robb’s post criticized Doctorow for excessive emphasis on 3-D printers as the heart of the micromanufacturing revolution. I left the issue out of my review for reasons of space, but I agree that he put too much of a spotlight on 3-D printing at the expense of the cheap, homebrew CNC subtractive tools that are proliferating now. But thee thing is, that doesn’t change the essential outline of the story or its validity.

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By: Andrew B. Watt https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/cory-doctorow-makers/2009/10/25/comment-page-1#comment-419169 Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:11:59 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=5615#comment-419169 Interesting.

Printing was confined to the city of Mainz for almost a decade after its invention. Gutenberg and his partner Jacob Furst tried to maintain a monopoly on the technology. In… 1463, I think?… the archbishop of Mainz took control using a mercenary army, killed about 800 citizens as rebels against his authority, and expelled another 1500. Among those expelled were Gutenberg, Furst, their apprentices and journeymen.

Without cash or guild-like control over their members, and with the potential for vagrancy charges hanging over their former employees, Furst and Gutenberg no longer had the wherewithal to compel the journeymen and apprentices to keep the secrets of printing. Print shops opened all over Germany and soon all over. Within a decade there were over a hundred printing businesses in Europe.

It’s often the case that you need a catalyst or crisis to make this kind of change occur. For printing it was a Church official reasserting his authority. For microfacturing, it may be something else.

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By: Orin https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/cory-doctorow-makers/2009/10/25/comment-page-1#comment-419148 Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:01:02 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=5615#comment-419148 I haven’t read the final product, but the promise shown by the economic exploration in the first part about Kodacell is lost in the second part where things seem to divert into a sequel to Down And Out In The Magic Kingdom. I’ll keep reading the online version, hoping that it lives up to the promise of the first part that was published on Salon – but it is increasingly looking as though the faffing about with the theme park has taken over the more interesting speculative economics that started the story.

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By: P.M.Lawrence https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/cory-doctorow-makers/2009/10/25/comment-page-1#comment-419143 Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:52:34 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=5615#comment-419143 I can see lots of ways that process could be tamed and made “safe”, based on historical precedents like how printing was controlled and only worked that way in safe havens like Geneva and Amsterdam. And, of course, none of this stops taxes, regulations, and hidden subsidies to corporatism. You might also like to read Damon Knight’s A for Anything.

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By: Ryan Lanham https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/cory-doctorow-makers/2009/10/25/comment-page-1#comment-419129 Mon, 26 Oct 2009 01:54:39 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=5615#comment-419129 Great post, Kevin. Who will train these people? Can self-directed learning do it all? Does Cory have a view on that?

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