Comments on: Building the new in the shell of the old https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/building-the-new-in-the-shell-of-the-old/2009/05/09 Researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices Sun, 10 May 2009 15:20:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.15 By: js https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/building-the-new-in-the-shell-of-the-old/2009/05/09/comment-page-1#comment-414670 Sun, 10 May 2009 15:20:04 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=2927#comment-414670 On the other hand it’s accomplished a lot more than voting has.

]]> By: Kevin Carson https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/building-the-new-in-the-shell-of-the-old/2009/05/09/comment-page-1#comment-414666 Sun, 10 May 2009 06:01:51 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=2927#comment-414666 Another thing missing from the story is that “the past few decades” have been the last hurrah of an economic model based on extensive addition of government-subsidized inputs, and of government as the outlet of last resort for surplus capital and output.

These forms of counter-organization have been relegated to niche hobbies because they’ve been competing with an artificially subsidized system. Peak Oil, the fiscal crisis of the state, the culmination of the crises of overinvestment and underconsumption, the growing crisis of realization in the immaterial realm–all these things mean the handwriting is on the wall for that system. The “niche hobbies” are the building blocks of the new system, much like the rural villas (sixth century “resilient communities”) were the building block of the successor system when the Roman Empire collapsed in the West.

]]> By: Michel Bauwens https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/building-the-new-in-the-shell-of-the-old/2009/05/09/comment-page-1#comment-414662 Sun, 10 May 2009 03:31:03 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=2927#comment-414662 In reply to Eronarn.

I agree that something is missing in the story told in this way. And that story is in my view that the myriad new forms of self-organization do actually point to a new system of organizing the world, provided it is seen in conjunction with the emergence of peer production.

]]> By: Eronarn https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/building-the-new-in-the-shell-of-the-old/2009/05/09/comment-page-1#comment-414661 Sun, 10 May 2009 01:44:40 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=2927#comment-414661 Utterly insipid commentary. With the prospect of ecological collapse brought on by agriculture’s excesses something we may face within our lifetimes, this counts as a revolution? What kind of revolution takes “the past few decades” to amount to a niche hobby and a collection of buzzwords equally seized by industry?

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