Comments on: Book of the Day: With Liberty and Dividends for All https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/book-of-the-day-with-liberty-and-dividends-for-all/2014/09/03 Researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices Sun, 07 Sep 2014 09:12:12 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.15 By: Patrick S https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/book-of-the-day-with-liberty-and-dividends-for-all/2014/09/03/comment-page-1#comment-875105 Sun, 07 Sep 2014 09:12:12 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=40827#comment-875105 Josef I think that’s quite a perceptive comment. I have just been reading about my own country Australia’s one attempt by a democratically-elected Labor government to nationalise the banks in the 1940s, and the fierce reaction it provoked from the banks and big capital more generally (in terms of huge dedicated PR campaigns, legal battles, etc). We had a similar recent pushback when the govt of the day tried to impose a higher mineral wealth resource rent tax (which was called a ‘super profit tax’) which was also greatly watered down and made ineffective after the mining multinationals funded a huge campaign which (arguably, as a significant factor among several) led to the downfall of a sitting prime minister.

I increasingly think though that Gus Alperovitz may be onto something that while we may not get a clear chance to vote in a big set of reforms all at once, the opportunity to try these reforms will open up steadily at different scales, as neoliberalism struggles with a more uncertain world we seem to be already definitely heading in to (including uncertainty as we fully enter the age of peak oil and have to try innovations in multiple ways, not just via renewable energy but with different approaches to governance, economics, society … )

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By: Josef Davies-Coates https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/book-of-the-day-with-liberty-and-dividends-for-all/2014/09/03/comment-page-1#comment-872276 Thu, 04 Sep 2014 13:05:07 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=40827#comment-872276 Sounds like good ideas, but no easier to actually make happen than a wealth tax. Or a Land Value Tax, a *very* similar idea which is also been around in some shape or form for millenia. Also *very* similar to Louis Kelso’s ideas about binary economics.

When I read “By generating income from common assets” I thought: Great! I guess it must be about starting co-ops and other vehicles which can own and develop productive common assets and then fairly share the income generated. “The money won’t come from government spending or redistribution, or from new taxes on business.” hinted at the same. But these proposals *would* require government action that *would* create new costs for businesses. Doesn’t mean they’re not doable or shouldn’t be done, but painting them as things that could just be done seems a bit misleading to me.

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By: Patrick S https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/book-of-the-day-with-liberty-and-dividends-for-all/2014/09/03/comment-page-1#comment-871221 Wed, 03 Sep 2014 12:49:10 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=40827#comment-871221 Thanks, it sounds like a very interesting book.

Perhaps a good companion piece to the new retrospective on Elinor Ostrom’s ideas about managing the Commons, “The Sustainable Economics of Elinor Ostrom”, by Derek Wall (review at http://aworldtowin.net/reviews/DerekWall-ElinorOstrom.html).

I have heard a criticism of “Pigovian taxes” on environmental damage is that they actually create a perverse incentive to allow the damage to continue, since govts could become reliant on the tax income stream. So I guess the design of Barnes’ ‘common wealth trusts’ would be important to avoid this issue – probably something he addresses in the book.

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