Comments on: A critique of Data Portability efforts from a Free Network Services point of view https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/a-critique-of-data-portability-efforts-from-a-free-network-services-point-of-view/2009/05/08 Researching, documenting and promoting peer to peer practices Sat, 09 May 2009 04:24:47 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.15 By: Elias Bizannes https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/a-critique-of-data-portability-efforts-from-a-free-network-services-point-of-view/2009/05/08/comment-page-1#comment-414645 Sat, 09 May 2009 04:24:47 +0000 http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=2917#comment-414645 Hi – I’m the vice-chair of the DataPortability Project. I thought I would add my comments to this – I’ve only every interacted with Adriana in passing on the project VRM list – but I feel my views haven’t been fully explained.

First of all, a clarification – the big players actually do support ownership. You only have to look at Facebook who most recently came out with their bill of rights to say you own all of your information. To say we compromised to satisfy the big players, isn’t true. The reason why we have this different stance, is because we are being practical.

The whole concept of ownership stirs up an emotional reaction in people – the same kind of emotion that can be attributed to nationalism. But from an intellectual point of view (and leaving aside the emotional rhetoric) – try to think about realistically if you really care about ownership. This comment – I technically should have ownership on it. But what’s the point of ownership, if I can’t actually control the fact that people can copy my ideas or remix it to create their own? Ownership is pointless without an enforcement mechanism, and practically speaking, we are never going to get a solid enough enforcement mechanism that can be applied across the Internet, due to its decentralisation.

That’s a good thing for many reasons. And in reality, I want you to steal my ideas, remix it with your own, – it’s helping spread my thoughts. I get no benefit if I control who can do what with my ideas – I only get benefit if people take it on and reuse. The argument about ownership is ridiculously complex. It’s philosophical – and I am going to rank it up there as having the same complexity as truth, which in philosophy, is something people haven’t been able to agree on for thousands of years. It’s all about perspective.

What we’ve done with the DataPortability Project, is we’ve looked at ownership and thought to ourselves that it’s simply a means to an end. Just because you have ownership, doesn’t mean you have the right to use your data. To use an analogy: imagine if you “owned” your house. Now let’s say the government denied you access to your house, due to some legislation which can override your right to your property. What’s the value of ownership, if you are denied access? With DataPortabiliy, instead of going to the courts to prove you “own” something – we are taking the approach of identifying what inalienable rights people have over their data – and then making sure that is respected.

You don’t need ownership to get the rights of usage over your data. If you read my blog post mentioned above, you will understand my point where I say it’s not ownership that matters, but access. Arguably, ownership is a cluster of rights that permit your right of usage. At DataPortability.org, we might not use the word ownership – but that’s simply because we’ve gotten more to the core of the problem.

For us, portability is about being able to import, export, syncronise, and remove your data. You don’t need to own your data to do that, but if you had ownership, that’s what you end up practically getting anyway. The concept of ownership is distracting us from the real fight that we need to be fighting.

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