so, what can we do to get such a dialogue going, see my pages on Neotraditional Economics, in the p2p wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Neotraditional

[1] http://cms.home.pl/change-society/peer-to-peer-review-of-marxism/

This is just techno-fixes that won’t work. What is needed is a massive reconstruction of our towns and cities using New Urbanist Codes, or even better, Generative Codes, as developed by Salingaros and Alexander. It is the modernist structure which needs to be broken down and replaced with living structure.

Nikos Salingaros has a lecture about just all this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LCdK8b_osLw#at=2478

For Michel Bauwens I can tell the Norwegian human behavioral ecologist Terje Bongard has the same perspectives, and fears a “perfect” mixture of climate change, water, food and recourse scarcity might hit us about year 2030.

What irritates me tremendously is that most people confronted with these scientific facts, just say dooms-days prophets have been around for thousands of years. Yes, these predicaments come from above, but not from a God full of wrath, but from accurate satellite data monitoring our planet’s health.

As Bongard says, there’s no historical example of any culture that has had the technological possibilities to expand beyond the borders of their carrying capacity that has not collapsed.

Why should our civilization be any exception? After all, our brain evolved in a world without limits in the area of the Rift Valley in Africa.

If you someday go to Norway Michel, please contact Bongard in advance to arrange a meeting, I’m sure you would have so much to talk about. His contact information is here: http://www.nina.no/Kontaktoss/Ansatte/Person.aspx?AnsattID=16117